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Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

#11

Post by phildougherty »

"You can run your Docker containers across entire data centers without ever creating a "cluster" as other IaaS providers would have you do."

This is a little unclear. I get that you don't have to create a "cluster" because you're going to use the API to launch containers on existing dedicated hardware, but how is that a WIN for your finance team? I guess I'm missing something.. but wouldn't you have to already have systems online that you're paying for that these containers can be launched on?

From: https://www.joyent.com/blog/docker-bake-off-aws-vs-joyent

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

#12

Post by thinkingkong »

phildougherty wrote: post #11

"You can run your Docker containers across entire data centers without ever creating a "cluster" as other IaaS providers would have you do." This is a little unclear. I get that you don't have to create a "cluster" because you're going to use the API to launch containers on existing dedicated hardware, but how is that a WIN for your finance team? I guess I'm missing something.. but wouldn't you have to already have s…

The difference for the operator is: Baremetal -> smartos -> container vs Baremetal -> hypervisor -> virtual machine -> container.

Theres root safety in the smartos implementation of docker. So they can do multi-tenancy.

For the customer, you dont have to provision entire virtual machines to run docker containers.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

#13

Post by redwood631 »

This is running Linux binaries on Oracle Solaris (which they call SmartOS), and not the real thing that Oracle is still developing, but a fork from 2010 that is maintained by 1/10th of the developers it once had. https://www.openhub.net/p/illumos.

This would have been pretty rad 10 years ago, when the world still cared about Solaris.

On a minor note: the post doesn't credit Oracle or Solaris, from where more than 90% of their SmartOS code comes from, until Oracle closed their code in 2010.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

#14

Post by josh2600 »

Joyent has solved some really hard problems to make this work. I was lucky enough to get the chance to sit down with Bryan last week and talk with him about what this took. It's essentially reimplementing Linux on top of Illumnos, which is no tiny feat.

There are still messy hurdles to running Docker in production, but it's clear that Joyent has really tried to make something awesome here.

As someone who works deeply in the future-container space, I applaud folks who are taking us deeper down the rabbit hole. I think it's clear that this whole 'back-to-the-future' isolation technology is really cool stuff. Jails/zones/containers have been around forever and I think it's great that we're finally taking advantage of this technology.

Edit: at Terminal.com, we want people to push Linux forward, and this is a great example of taking Linux to new and intriguing heights. I did not think we would have Linux on Illumnos in quite this way in 2015 and it's delightful to see. We are all standing on the shoulders of giants and it's great to reach new vistas.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

#15

Post by thinkingkong »

redwood631 wrote: post #13

This is running Linux binaries on Oracle Solaris (which they call SmartOS), and not the real thing that Oracle is still developing, but a fork from 2010 that is maintained by 1/10th of the developers it once had. https://www.openhub.net/p/illumos . This would have been pretty rad 10 years ago, when the world still cared about Solaris. On a minor note: the post doesn't credit Oracle or Solaris, from where more than 90…

Thats because Oracle deserves no credit. The illumos project was created as a derivative of opensolaris which was created by Sun. The lineage is actually sort of mind boggling. If we want to be pedantic, we could complain about nobody is giving credit to BSD.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

#16

Post by phildougherty »

thinkingkong wrote: post #12
phildougherty wrote: post #11

"You can run your Docker containers across entire data centers without ever creating a "cluster" as other IaaS providers would have you do." This is a little unclear. I get that you don't have to create a "cluster" because you're going to use the API to launch containers on existing dedicated hardware, but how is that a WIN for your finance team? I guess I'm missing something.. but wouldn't you have to already have s…

The difference for the operator is: Baremetal -> smartos -> container vs Baremetal -> hypervisor -> virtual machine -> container. Theres root safety in the smartos implementation of docker. So they can do multi-tenancy. For the customer, you dont have to provision entire virtual machines to run docker containers.

Is it multi-tenancy of various Joyent customers on the same hardware? So you get containers placed somewhere in their data center on shared hardware with other customers? Or do you already need to have dedicated hardware provisioned at Joyent to launch containers on? I'm still unclear on that point, which makes me question how it's saving the end user money.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

#17

Post by jimpick »

thinkingkong wrote: post #15
redwood631 wrote: post #13

This is running Linux binaries on Oracle Solaris (which they call SmartOS), and not the real thing that Oracle is still developing, but a fork from 2010 that is maintained by 1/10th of the developers it once had. https://www.openhub.net/p/illumos . This would have been pretty rad 10 years ago, when the world still cared about Solaris. On a minor note: the post doesn't credit Oracle or Solaris, from where more than 90…

Thats because Oracle deserves no credit. The illumos project was created as a derivative of opensolaris which was created by Sun. The lineage is actually sort of mind boggling. If we want to be pedantic, we could complain about nobody is giving credit to BSD.

And Bell Labs.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

#19

Post by kordless »

josh2600 wrote: post #14

Joyent has solved some really hard problems to make this work. I was lucky enough to get the chance to sit down with Bryan last week and talk with him about what this took. It's essentially reimplementing Linux on top of Illumnos, which is no tiny feat. There are still messy hurdles to running Docker in production, but it's clear that Joyent has really tried to make something awesome here. As someone who works deeply…

+1 on terminal.com. Love it.
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