Fear of Apple • Hacker News Board

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by wz1000 » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 3:46 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #8

wz1000 wrote: post #5

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Aside from a select few free software communities, the Apple community is the one I've witnessed the most negativity and hate in. Maybe this is because people in both of these communities feel they are "special" somehow, and "better" than the average user?

Are you talking about hatred towards apple? Pick any positive article about Apple on the web with a comments section. You will see that the comments are filled with hateful anti-Apple invective.

It goes both ways in my experience. People often hate on Apple, but on communities with many Apple users there is significant negativity in the opposite direction. Criticism of Apple is generally not taken well.

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by gcb0 » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 3:47 PM UTC

how times change. tomorrow i will have to put down my windows and Linux laptops to get a sanctioned apple at work. despite my claims that i won't be able to test touch screen interactions with it...

apple hardware is the new Microsoft outlook in the corporate world.

all i wanted was a sexy surface pro 3 :( how times have changed

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by austenallred » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 3:50 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #9

chrisper wrote: post #6

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I don't know if anything BILD is a valid source.

No, but they did ban Gizmodo for buying a stolen prototype.

That's a little bit different than "censorship," don't you think?

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by raesene4 » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 4:00 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #7

skc wrote: post #3

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Doesn't wash. Trick question, why is it that they are not afraid about what the press will do with their snarky comments on say, Google, Microsoft, Samsung or Android?

Because the press doesn't make hit pieces about brands that are not perceived as the leader to be toppled.

Given that in the mobile field, Android is perceived as the leader, this line of thinking doesn't really seem to hold.

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by smackfu » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 4:01 PM UTC

This is the same Apple who has a published document saying:

"If your App is rejected, we have a Review Board that you can appeal to. If you run to the press and trash us, it never helps."

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/

When this company controls your livelihood, you are wise to take a very broad view of what "trash us" means.

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by makeitsuckless » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 4:07 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #9

chrisper wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if anything BILD is a valid source.

No, but they did ban Gizmodo for buying a stolen prototype.

So Bild and a Gawker publication buying stolen property.

Still not impressed.

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by jmduke » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 4:09 PM UTC

This was a much better article than I was anticipating. (A lot of Apple criticism is either shallow or vitriolic, I guess a side effect of inspiring so much fervor on either end of the spectrum.)

My new favorite anecdote of Apple's deficiencies in the services side of things is how the App Store and iTunes Connect was just down for at least half a day a couple weeks back, with no visibility except a press release:

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2015/03/11/the-apple-app-store-i...

Or back in late January, where iTunes Connect had a bug that just randomly logged you in as a different user:

http://9to5mac.com/2015/01/29/widespread-itunes-connect-issu...

It's hard for me to imagine another company for which either of these incidents wouldn't inspire a round of warranted criticism -- especially given their bad services track record.

Still, it makes sense that Apple would continue to deprioritize developer relations (either implicitly or explicitly.) Put frankly, we're a tiny sliver of their consumer base: while the App Store might be raking in billions from that 30% its still more valuable to the company as a method of selling devices than as a revenue stream in its own right.

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by msane » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 4:18 PM UTC

gcb0 wrote: post #12

how times change. tomorrow i will have to put down my windows and Linux laptops to get a sanctioned apple at work. despite my claims that i won't be able to test touch screen interactions with it... apple hardware is the new Microsoft outlook in the corporate world. all i wanted was a sexy surface pro 3 :( how times have changed

"I know, how are you going to test touch screen interactions if you don't have a surface pro 3?" I hear that at the water cooler every day.

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by m_eiman » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 4:27 PM UTC

How could anything Apple could possibly do be something that would give all the million(s?) apps their "fair share" of App store front page time be useful, when there are just too many apps in there? It's a bit like expecting Google to divide traffic to all existing sites because it isn't fair that Facebook gets so much traffic.

I just don't see how it isn't the developers' job to raise interest in their work.

Re: Fear of Apple

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Post by seabee » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 4:29 PM UTC

raesene4 wrote: post #14

gress wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the press doesn't make hit pieces about brands that are not perceived as the leader to be toppled.

Given that in the mobile field, Android is perceived as the leader, this line of thinking doesn't really seem to hold.

Android is the leader by market share but iOS leads mind share.

Android isn't a strong brand. Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG et al put their own corporate branding ahead of whatever Android version they use. Amazon barely mentions its existence. Apple and Samsung are probably the only strong brands in mobile right now and Apple is a lot further ahead.