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Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by coldtea »

kolev wrote: post #5

Honestly, I've never seen another product here getting a post for every minor build! Nice to see such a die-hard fan base! But, please, face the reality - many have moved over to Atom already and are not looking back. Atom is alive, the ecosystem is already huge, atom-shell is getting popular as well. Unless Sublime gets open-sourced, it's in a slow agony. Remember TextMate? It had a huge loyal user base, but who is…

>But, please, face the reality - many have moved over to Atom already and are not looking back.

I seriously doubt it.

First, people kept using TextMate when it was dead for 3 years or so. The most ST3 has been idle was 6-7 months, and before and after that the update pace (for dev releases) was great.

Second, it's not like anything major was missing from the editor even 2 years ago, or that it stopped working or anything. People use Vim which is a 30 years old codebase that hasn't had major updates in a great while, so not sure were the pressure for ST is.

Third, I doubt Atom has that much adoption. For one, it is and will always be slower, due to the language and rendering model (custom C++ vs Javascript and ultimately, the DOM).

As an anecdotal point, most people at work use either Vim or ST3. Nobody uses Atom.

>* Remember TextMate? It had a huge loyal user base, but who is using it now?*

You'd be surprised.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by jsprogrammer »

coldtea wrote: post #11
kolev wrote: post #5

Honestly, I've never seen another product here getting a post for every minor build! Nice to see such a die-hard fan base! But, please, face the reality - many have moved over to Atom already and are not looking back. Atom is alive, the ecosystem is already huge, atom-shell is getting popular as well. Unless Sublime gets open-sourced, it's in a slow agony. Remember TextMate? It had a huge loyal user base, but who is…

> But, please, face the reality - many have moved over to Atom already and are not looking back. I seriously doubt it. First, people kept using TextMate when it was dead for 3 years or so. The most ST3 has been idle was 6-7 months, and before and after that the update pace (for dev releases) was great. Second, it's not like anything major was missing from the editor even 2 years ago, or that it stopped working or any…

Atom may always be slower, but the speed difference could eventually become negligible. If ST3, in it's current form, existed 20 years ago, people would have been making the same argument about Vim vs. ST3.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by cheald »

After years of using it, I finally just bought a Sublime license. It's about as close to perfect as an editor gets for me - fast, stable, powerful, extensible, portable, and very low cognitive overhead.

Kudos to the Sublime folks.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by [deleted] »

coldtea wrote: post #7
evjan wrote: post #2

Huzzah, the project is still alive! I assumed it was abandoned a long time ago and switched to Atom, but I hope Sublime 3 comes out soon.

Others too. But why you would assume that? The guy said he will be coming back with more, and the most delay between updates was like 8-9 months -- something that happens all the time for commercial projects where you might or might not see an update in 1 or even 2 years. In the last 2 months, he has been publishing an update dev release every 1 week or so.

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Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by kolev »

tmikaeld wrote: post #6
kolev wrote: post #5

Honestly, I've never seen another product here getting a post for every minor build! Nice to see such a die-hard fan base! But, please, face the reality - many have moved over to Atom already and are not looking back. Atom is alive, the ecosystem is already huge, atom-shell is getting popular as well. Unless Sublime gets open-sourced, it's in a slow agony. Remember TextMate? It had a huge loyal user base, but who is…

I have tried Atom, many many times. But i always get annoyed by how SLOW it is.

It's slow with huge source files, agreed, but you shouldn't have huge source files anyway.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by kolev »

lambeosaurus wrote: post #9
tmikaeld wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have tried Atom, many many times. But i always get annoyed by how SLOW it is.

I tried it once and had the same experience. I'm really just waiting to meet even a single person who uses it as their daily IDE in a work environment (or even at home - I still haven't seen that.) At that point I'll consider trying it again. I love the concept. Just not enamoured with the execution.

I am using Atom daily and I'm super happy. It's missing a thing or two from ST 3, but I got more than I had taken away, honestly. I have paid for Sublime unlike most here who gang up to silence me. I've bought a bunch of plugins for Sublime, too, so, I've invested more than $100 in the ecosystem.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by amima »

coldtea wrote: post #7
evjan wrote: post #2

Huzzah, the project is still alive! I assumed it was abandoned a long time ago and switched to Atom, but I hope Sublime 3 comes out soon.

Others too. But why you would assume that? The guy said he will be coming back with more, and the most delay between updates was like 8-9 months -- something that happens all the time for commercial projects where you might or might not see an update in 1 or even 2 years. In the last 2 months, he has been publishing an update dev release every 1 week or so.

August 2014 beta build was a really small update and the only one in year 2014. To be honest, my feeling also was that project has been abandoned. ST3 was silent for about a year and is supported by the single developer (as far as I understand it). No updates (except for one in August) in the times of Atom release, this looked like there was no more motivation for the Sublime Text developer. I am really happy that it's not true and Sublime is active again in 2015.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by melling »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #12
coldtea wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, please, face the reality - many have moved over to Atom already and are not looking back. I seriously doubt it. First, people kept using TextMate when it was dead for 3 years or so. The most ST3 has been idle was 6-7 months, and before and after that the update pace (for dev releases) was great. Second, it's not like anything major was missing from the editor even 2 years ago, or that it stopped working or any…

Atom may always be slower, but the speed difference could eventually become negligible. If ST3, in it's current form, existed 20 years ago, people would have been making the same argument about Vim vs. ST3.

Ten or twenty years is a long time to wait for the hardware to improve so your editor is performant.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by venomsnake »

kolev wrote: post #15
tmikaeld wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have tried Atom, many many times. But i always get annoyed by how SLOW it is.

It's slow with huge source files, agreed, but you shouldn't have huge source files anyway.

Tell that to the vendors and various api-s that love to produce 20-50 MB xmls

Re: Sublime Text 3 Build 3080

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Post by kolev »

wodenokoto wrote: post #8
kolev wrote: post #5

Honestly, I've never seen another product here getting a post for every minor build! Nice to see such a die-hard fan base! But, please, face the reality - many have moved over to Atom already and are not looking back. Atom is alive, the ecosystem is already huge, atom-shell is getting popular as well. Unless Sublime gets open-sourced, it's in a slow agony. Remember TextMate? It had a huge loyal user base, but who is…

My impression when looking at HN is that people are not that impressed with Atom. Nobody I know in the real world uses atom, but I'm a poor data point. The reason why everybody is up in arms about every minor update is that a lot of people see every little peep from the dev as (hopeful) proof that the project isn't dead.

People here still get excited about LISP, too. I can understand Clojure, but Lisp, come on! It was in the 80s and 90s when I used LISP for AI and my favorite muLISP, but it's 2015 already! So, this is a boutique community, don't make generalization from it. Atom is doing pretty well for its infancy!

I was super excited about Intype in the past - much more excited about anybody could be about Sublime. After many, many years and ruined potential, I gave up. Just recently found that it's still alive. I remember e as well. It got open-sourced... and what? There are many editors, but Atom has all indications that's it's here to stay! I'm not so sure about Sublime given the patterns. A loyal community is not enough - a dedicated development team is what's most important!

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