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Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by bitwize » Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 3:03 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #163

ndrscr wrote: post #154

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Consider the Odyssey, a classic example of a Greek text. The Odyssey was codified and passed down through generations in Greece. People write about the Odyssey, but almost no one has writted linear commentaries for it. Lets compare that to the Talmud. The Mishnah is the core of the Talmud, and it is a collection of oral law written down (in about 200 C.E.) by Rabbi Yehudah HaNasi. Like the Odyssey, it is unchanged an…

Are you really saying that the Talmud is comparable to the Odyssey, but not to Plato? I'd expect, since you're talking about a philosophical tradition, that the reverse would be more accurate. Philosophical commentary abounds in the Greek tradition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentaries_on_Plato https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentaries_on_Aristotle Commentaries were also written on Homer, but as the Iliad and…

The difference is that with the Odyssey and Plato, commentaries on the work are not considered part of the work. The commentaries on the Talmud are considered part of the Talmud, including inheriting the Talmud's status as law -- making the Talmud very much a living document.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ndrscr » Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 9:25 PM UTC

ars wrote: post #166

ndrscr wrote: post #155

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Just as a sidenote, the Rabbis determine that a fetal calf does not count as meat, so one could actually cook a calf in its mother's milk, according to Jewish law.

That isn't true. A fetal calf is meat. But it does not require ritual slaughter - the slaughter of the mother is considered sufficient. (This rule actually has implications for the abortion debate.) You have it reversed. If you find milk inside the udder of the cow after slaughter that milk is considered meat, not milk. However it's prohibited rabbinically because it looks like milk and can lead to confusion.

Thank you for the correction

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by Dylan16807 » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 2:31 AM UTC

ars wrote: post #164

Dylan16807 wrote: post #159

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Let me be more clear with my question, since that's just information on the oral tradition in general. I am looking for a source that the specific rule against putting meat and milk together was given to Moses, or that it's a direct implication of the written Torah. As far as I have understood it, it's a ruling that the rabbis made once upon a time, and it has since become part of the oral tradition, but it was not o…

> As far as I have understood it, it's a ruling that the rabbis made once upon a time, and it has since become part of the oral tradition, but it was not originally a rule. No, that is definitely not correct. The Talmud is very clear about Biblical vs Rabbinical rules and Meat and Milk is unquestionably Biblical. But Fowl (chicken) and Milk is Rabbinical. So perhaps that's what you were thinking of.

No, I wasn't confusing those. Let me put this way. Unless what I'm reading is blatantly wrong, the claims of rabbis about what is "biblically" prohibited have been under dispute and changed over the centuries. So it may not be a "rabbinical" rule but it came from rabbis and didn't directly follow from the bible and the rules for interpreting the words of the bible. (Unless a huge series of rabbis were just flat-out wrong.)

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by ars » Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 8:20 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #173

ars wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As far as I have understood it, it's a ruling that the rabbis made once upon a time, and it has since become part of the oral tradition, but it was not originally a rule. No, that is definitely not correct. The Talmud is very clear about Biblical vs Rabbinical rules and Meat and Milk is unquestionably Biblical. But Fowl (chicken) and Milk is Rabbinical. So perhaps that's what you were thinking of.

No, I wasn't confusing those. Let me put this way. Unless what I'm reading is blatantly wrong, the claims of rabbis about what is "biblically" prohibited have been under dispute and changed over the centuries. So it may not be a "rabbinical" rule but it came from rabbis and didn't directly follow from the bible and the rules for interpreting the words of the bible. (Unless a huge series of rabbis were just flat-out w…

There are indeed things that are disputed if they are biblically prohibited or rabbinically. Usually it's not the nature of the item that is disputed but the degree.

But not meat and milk. That has not changed. So if what you are reading is saying that, then yes, it's blatantly wrong.

For example the time delay in between eating meat and milk: That's in dispute. It's a multi level dispute, of: what delay is biblically required (if any), and what how much of a delay is rabbinically required (the two numbers are not the same), and how large a delay is required depending on which food was eaten first, and the type of food (aged cheese, young cheese, or milk).

But eating them together? Absolutely no dispute.

Just as a side note, there is a tendency to say "Rabbinically required, oh that's not as important." But the requirement to obey rabbinical prohibitions is itself biblical. So once a rabbinical edict is accepted it has total and complete force of law with virtually no distinctions between it and biblical edicts.

Re: Sabbath mode

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Post by coolguy43 » Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 5:29 AM UTC

gvb wrote: post #4

Funny true story: My friend bought a fancy new stove. After owning it a couple of weeks his wife commented that the oven didn't work on Thursdays. Odd. So he investigated... and he found that indeed on Thursdays, if he tried to turn the oven on, it reported an error code 5A66. After a bit of searching in the user's manual, he discovered (a) that the stove had a Sabboth mode (b) the "error code" was actually SAbb rend…

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