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Important Allies Join the Fight Against NSA Internet Backbone Surveillance

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Re: Important Allies Join the Fight Against NSA Internet Backbone Surveillance

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Frustrating as well because supporters of the programs like to bring up how they've been challenged in court before so they're perfectly fine and legal. Well, not exactly...

Who says the specific programs have been challenged in court? The argument is that they rest on principles that have been set forth in previous Supreme Court opinions. Look at the EFF's handy image: https://www.eff.org/files/2015/03/19/backbone-2015-color.jpg . Do you see the box labeled "filtering aimed at eliminating fully domestic transactions"? That's there because precedent says the 4th amendment does not protec…

The question already has been litigated in court. To monitor a domestic phone conversion (which prior to digital exchanges the switchboard operator could listen into) requires a warrant to capture. Same principle here.

Just because something can be easily listened to doesn't mean the government doesn't need a warrant.

Re: Important Allies Join the Fight Against NSA Internet Backbone Surveillance

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Of course it can. http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-lincoln...

Lincoln was president in the 19th century. Washington, Adams, etc, were the 18th century presidents. And my money is on Washington and Jefferson spinning in their graves every time "national security" is used to squash a court case.

I'm responding to the outrage over

>It basically means the government can both violate the Constitution and absolve itself for the reason of "national security"

Why does the century matter?

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