I surprised myself by figuratively sitting at the edge of my seat reading this tale. The thing that interests me more though than the tale itself if the buyers. I'm not a collector. I can understand the shady dealings and the clandestine meetings to make cash selling these things, but I would love to read about the mind of the buyer of these things, that I consider junk. If I came across something in the attic that w…
The Pez Outlaw
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#22Never thought I'd see the day where a Playboy article is on the top of HN. Great read.
I'm not. Playboy's articles have always been tremendous. When I was younger I had a t-shirt with a Playboy logo on it and the phrase "I read the articles". I'm starting to think we need a curation platform for long-form content. Preferably a subscription service that can solve the paywall problem elegantly. I don't use music subscription services because I want to keep the music, purchasing a file makes more sense. B…
If you keep an eye on vanity fair, the atlantic, new yorker, the sunday times and a few others, you're likely to read most of the good stuff.
Better revenue streams might increase the supply. You are right that a model similar to music is needed – I'm not going to pay 100$+/year for a magazine subscription, but I'd gladly pay 40$/month for 'the netflix of journalism'. I've also seen quite a lot of writers publish kindle shorts which could become 'the itunes of journalism'.
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#23Most of this, pre-eBay. The article mentions conventions, but I wonder what the primary avenue for his sales was?
Having observed people in a fanatical collecting hobby (vintage pens) through the insistence of a friend of mine, I get the impression that people involved in such collecting often strongly dislike eBay and similar sites. eBay, for all its faults, creates some level of transparency and openness in the market, and allows everyone to buy, sell, and appraise. For what are essentially fragile but persistent bubbles, transparency is bad.
Dealers want to be able to tell stories about pieces and their rarity, without a large market to let buyers verify them, and want to be able to hide sales, letting them inflate prices as much as possible. They certainly don't want anyone to be able to compare prices. Buyers want to be able to get special access to sales of pieces (or what they think is special access), or want to find people who don't know the value of what they have.
It's interesting hearing people in the hobby talk about these things. Dealers will rant about eBay and its dangers, or about buyers who "don't want to pay enough" (meaning they didn't sell that piece at all). Buyers will talk about how so-and-so contacted them first about a new piece, or about the amazing rarity of pieces that nevertheless seem to show up pretty often, or about how values appreciate with time. Unsurprisingly, doing painstaking research on auction sales over the last several decades, my friend found that values of most pieces did not even outpace inflation. Somehow, this didn't dissuade him. The hobby/bubble in its current form, though, is dying, and that's a good thing.
This is even more the case for collecting bubbles that are based around items currently being manufactured, as there is always the possibility of just creating more, and that risk is highest when everyone knows what is going on. In this case, for example, the manufacturer was easily able to destroy the dealer's business, but did so because the pieces were being very publicly sold. Had he instead kept everything quiet, and sold privately, he could have kept up what was essentially a scam for much longer.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not. Playboy's articles have always been tremendous. When I was younger I had a t-shirt with a Playboy logo on it and the phrase "I read the articles". I'm starting to think we need a curation platform for long-form content. Preferably a subscription service that can solve the paywall problem elegantly. I don't use music subscription services because I want to keep the music, purchasing a file makes more sense. B…
There is /r/thelongread or /r/longform I believe. Part of the problem is actually not discovery but availability – there just isn't that much longform content. If you keep an eye on vanity fair, the atlantic, new yorker, the sunday times and a few others, you're likely to read most of the good stuff. Better revenue streams might increase the supply. You are right that a model similar to music is needed – I'm not goin…
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is /r/thelongread or /r/longform I believe. Part of the problem is actually not discovery but availability – there just isn't that much longform content. If you keep an eye on vanity fair, the atlantic, new yorker, the sunday times and a few others, you're likely to read most of the good stuff. Better revenue streams might increase the supply. You are right that a model similar to music is needed – I'm not goin…
40$ would be too much for most people though, right? When the dust settles it will be at <10$/€ per month like the music and movie streaming services for all-you-can-read.
Actually, I think the free comments are what make HN great?
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#26Never thought I'd see the day where a Playboy article is on the top of HN. Great read.
There is also a fantastic interview with Steve Jobs from playboy: http://longform.org/stories/playboy-interview-steve-jobs
>Jobs: If I want to tell you there is a spot on your shirt, I’m not going to do it linguistically: “There’s a spot on your shirt 14 centimeters down from the collar and three centimeters to the left of your button.” If you have a spot—“There!” [he points]—I’ll point to it. Pointing is a metaphor we all know. We’ve done a lot of studies and tests on that, and it’s much faster to do all kinds of functions, such as cutting and pasting, with a mouse, so it’s not only easier to use but more efficient.
Amazing. Thanks
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#27> The guards gave the Americans a choice: Surrender the undocumented merchandise and enter Austria, or turn back into war-torn Eastern Europe. What war? This was Hungary in 1994, 4-5 years after a surprisingly peaceful end of communist rule.
Even speaking of Hungary, which shares a border with Croatia, Slovenia, some with Serbia further south east[corrected], but not Bosnia the situation was tense but not war-torn. The peak of the Croatian part of the Yugoslav wars was over with the 1992 ceasefire.
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#28> The guards gave the Americans a choice: Surrender the undocumented merchandise and enter Austria, or turn back into war-torn Eastern Europe. What war? This was Hungary in 1994, 4-5 years after a surprisingly peaceful end of communist rule.
Couldn't get around the sensationalism either. There was no war in Eastern Europe at large in '94. There were the Yugoslav/Balkan wars, but they were exclusively on the territory of former Yugoslavia. Especially the borders of Austria were never in danger, let alone the Austrian/Hungarian border. At it's early height there was the Ten-Day War in Slovenia in '91, which was the closest the war came to Western Europe an…
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#29I also wanted to make a point about hype and bubbles and evolving business models over time (what I guess we would now call pivoting). The Pez Dispensers were a way to discuss unbelievable bubbles, and e-Bay which evolved from a Pez swap & sell site into the auction juggernaut.
I'm sure some of the people in the room were laughing at inflated values for Pez and Tulips, while also investing their money into mortgage-backed securities.
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#30I delivered a Social Media session at a business conference many years ago (07? 08? Back when that was something novel), and ran a quiz on Website Logos with Pez Dispensers as the prize. I also wanted to make a point about hype and bubbles and evolving business models over time (what I guess we would now call pivoting). The Pez Dispensers were a way to discuss unbelievable bubbles, and e-Bay which evolved from a Pez…