Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm interested in the 'somewhat threatening' part, can you elaborate?
He made vague death threats to a friend of mine: “I am the throne dragon holding your eternal death inside a citrine cristal, threatening to break the crystal open so that it engulfs you back into the shroud of darkness.”
The Hacker Who Drank Ayahuasca
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#42Kind of annoying to read honestly, but I agree with his message and experience. I grew up on the internet and don't know how to happily fit into the world as a young adult. Have had deep depression and social anxiety for more than a decade, found out I have ADHD, turned to psychedelics out of curiosity and to see if they helped at all. They helped me realize how unsatisfied I am, and the more I take the more unsatisf…
Like everything in life, there are pros and cons, and deciding how this technology fits into your life and community is important. Mindless adoption is the real problem.
I do wish modern society had more opportunities for close community though, especially for people who are non-religious or do not view their work as part of their identity.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, that happened. There's another center in the jungle I know of that changes its name every time they have a guest die. And I've heard stories of "shamans" who add a paralytic to the dose they give attractive young female guests... But you know what? Those are the exceptions. I've taken ayahuasca dozens of times, and am booked for another trip to Peru next month. I've been fortunate only to work with reputable pe…
All that kind of shadiness is a consequence of prohibition -- since it's illegal, black and grey markets staffed by crooks and irresponsible flaky types fill the vendor niche. Without prohibition you could go to a professionally run center and take pharmaceutically pure DMT+MAOI instead of shaman piss, and do so with experienced genuinely psychologically educated guides and with modern medical care available in case…
I've never done it, but I have a strong sense that pharmahuasca would be cold, sterile, and missing some of the je ne sais quoi that the "shaman piss" [1] experience offers. I'm sure it would still be a valuable experience, and one I'd be open to exploring, but drinking trees works well enough for me, thanks.
I mean, sure you can puke (I often do, sometimes several times in the course of a night), and it tastes horrible, and your sweat smells like tree bark at the end of the night — let alone the end of the week. That's just the process, though, and "optimizing" it out would probably also remove many of the things that are actually among the most valuable (for me, and everyone else who does this more than once with whom I've spoken) aspects.
EDIT: footnote added.
[1] Interestingly, in one of the earliest-documented shamanic traditions, tribes on the Siberian steppe would use amanita muscaria mushrooms, which are visionary, but also mildly toxic. The shaman would take a shaman-sized dose, and journey, then collect his urine (which still contains threshold doses of psychoactive metabolites), and serve that to his "patients".
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#44Kind of annoying to read honestly, but I agree with his message and experience. I grew up on the internet and don't know how to happily fit into the world as a young adult. Have had deep depression and social anxiety for more than a decade, found out I have ADHD, turned to psychedelics out of curiosity and to see if they helped at all. They helped me realize how unsatisfied I am, and the more I take the more unsatisf…
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
He’s vocal and somewhat threatening about his newfound religious opinions about death. I mean, he’s probably happier, but at the cost of transplanting himself to an entirely new friend group and lifestyle. The person I knew is effectively dead.
From the first comment I read which was posted about 30 minutes prior to yours: >And when people say someone has been transformed for the worse after taking Ayahuasca what does that really mean? Worse for who? What's really good and bad? Your description of how he changed seems objectively neutral; but disappointing for you because you can no longer identify with him. >he’s probably happier, but at the cost of transp…
Well, from his perspective it's a worse change in personality, but from his friend's perspective he could be happier. So he's recognizing that his friend seems happier despite the change in personality he perceives to be bad.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
He made vague death threats to a friend of mine: “I am the throne dragon holding your eternal death inside a citrine cristal, threatening to break the crystal open so that it engulfs you back into the shroud of darkness.”
In what context was that sentence spoken?
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
He’s vocal and somewhat threatening about his newfound religious opinions about death. I mean, he’s probably happier, but at the cost of transplanting himself to an entirely new friend group and lifestyle. The person I knew is effectively dead.
From the first comment I read which was posted about 30 minutes prior to yours: >And when people say someone has been transformed for the worse after taking Ayahuasca what does that really mean? Worse for who? What's really good and bad? Your description of how he changed seems objectively neutral; but disappointing for you because you can no longer identify with him. >he’s probably happier, but at the cost of transp…
Is it is "for the better" for someone to be happy and ignorant/naive/delusional or to be of sound mind and unhappy? Not that this applies to the OP's post, but I've known people that have changed (by drugs or otherwise) where they've become happier, but also less mentally stable.
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#48I have taken Ayahuasca plenty of times and it has been an incredible experience for me thus far. Like everything in this universe there can bad sides to it, but with the correct people and when correctly brewed it can be extremely enlightening. What in life doesn't have a negative side to it? And when people say someone has been transformed for the worse after taking Ayahuasca what does that really mean? Worse for wh…
I have heard stories of seeing a mother kind of thing? What's that all about - have you experienced this?
As for what it's about, there's no real universal answer to that. Everyone's every experience of aya is different; it's what happens when that individual drinks that dose on that night. There are commonalties and themes you start to see and be able to work with, given enough experience, but there are very few absolutes.
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#49I have taken Ayahuasca plenty of times and it has been an incredible experience for me thus far. Like everything in this universe there can bad sides to it, but with the correct people and when correctly brewed it can be extremely enlightening. What in life doesn't have a negative side to it? And when people say someone has been transformed for the worse after taking Ayahuasca what does that really mean? Worse for wh…
I have heard stories of seeing a mother kind of thing? What's that all about - have you experienced this?