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Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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Just here to share a bit about my experience. I've been affiliate marketing for 8 years, and self-employed for 5 years. (I also run another business)

Affiliate marketing is an emotional roller coaster, not just in the sense that the money goes up and down so much. It is evertything, constantly watching traffic and analytics is very draining. It becomes almost impossible to go on vacation when things are bad. Almost worse wehn things are going good because all you are worried about doing is scaling.

Like a few other people in this thread, I've been out of the game for a while. I still have a few profitable campaigns that I am lucky enough to have nailed down to the point where I'll dominate as long as the niche is alive. I stopped innovating and testing new things because the industry is so god damn shady. Not just the CPA offers, I've had affiliate managers steal my campaign creative ideas, networks continually not pay me out and so many people fk me over.

Part of me thinks I would still be in the hustle if I didn't get married and have a kid, but for me it isn't something you can do if you want to responsibly sustain a household.

For anyone looking to get into this: pick a product (CPA, CPS) that you can get behind mentally. Can I promote this? Do I know how to sell this? Do I know how to write creative ads that will be better than the next guys?

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

#152

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I've had the opposite experience with my blog; as I've increased the amount of original research and writing in my posts, I've seen traffic steadily decline over roughly the same period. The conventional wisdom with blogs has always been that the way to success is more frequent short posts rather than less frequent long ones, and that still seems to be the case. I don't really care much, since I don't run ads and my…

Out of curiosity I poked around on your site and did some test searches using words similar but not identical to some of your titles. I did this just on articles I thought people might actually be looking for and that are over 1500 words. For example: heartbleed bug what you need to know Your post ( http://jasonlefkowitz.net/2014/04/the-heartbleed-bug-what-no... ) was buried. I gave up looking for it after the first…

That's sounds pretty in-depth for free advice!

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

#153
What a complete cunt. No different from the wankers that used to plague my mother, a dementia sufferer, with scam phone calls. Or the ones that would come to the door telling her she needed thousands worth of repair work done on the house. Or any of the other low-life scum that prey on the weak. Get rich quick any way you can and who cares about who you tread on. But I guess this is internetz entrepreneurz right? So that's ok then.

You're depressed now? Too bad. Try doing doing something that improves the world, or at least doesn't make it worse, maybe you'll feel better about yourself then.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

#154

Like many, I was tempted into these same areas - driven by success stories and my own technical knowledge which fooled me into thinking it would be "easy". What I found is there's lot of money to be made in... telling people how to make money! Those guys like Shoemaker who have an almost cult following end up making an empire on those in the "pyramid" below them. Not to say this is shady, just that the real "riches"…

I like to say that gold rushes make the showel sellers rich, not the gold seekers.

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Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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What's funny? You can't talk about your business?

Why would I want to give anyone even a hint of my profitable niche? Many believe that ideas are worthless, but I don't. Especially on a business/startup forum. I really don't want the competition.

I thought you practically demonstrated that ideas are worthless unless someone executes them properly. The idea you executed was an old and tested one, but it kept failing due to scammy executions. You gave it a proper execution and voila!

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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I'm not sure I'd regard making 100's of thousands of dollars complete failure. Now, it's obvious that he made money in ways that aren't overly useful to society, and promoted products that were less than stellar in spammy ways, but just having the goal of "Making Money Online" I'd consider that money to be pretty dang successful. The fact that he blew it all after the fact just makes him bad with money. It doesn't me…

In his shoes, I would definitely call it a complete failure. It was certainly very educational, but failure nonetheless. I think his failure lies in equating making money with success. The purpose of commerce is to help us create value for one another. But there is a bunch of activity that uses the same tools that is essentially parasitic. The reason his income streams kept blowing up was that people eventually decid…

The reason his income streams kept blowing up is because they were all basically scams and/or spam exploiting early Internet search and advertising schemes, which in pretty short order either collapsed or got wise.

Which is good to see, in a way. As scammy and spammy as the web is today, this shows it could be worse. Hopefully today's scammers are chasing a moving target too, and with any luck having even less success. I'm not certain that's the case (some of the crap seems to have just gotten institutionalized) but one can hope.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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To be honest, HN is full of this stuff too - Double your freelancing - Guys who create a not-very-well-known startup and then start pushing guides on how to be successful - Email marketing, write 3 tutorials on topic X to build your list and then spam your ebook. Don't get me wrong, things are better targeted and less shady. It just feels like people spend more time selling their systems than they do using them. It l…

First you sell the stuff you mine from the ground, then you sell shovels to the miners, then you hire the miners and make them dig stuff out of the ground for you that you sell. The final stage is selling miners to other mining companies.

The final stage is selling stuff that helps people sell miners to other mining companies.

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

#159

The general online audience has matured over the past 10 years, and most people have an excellent filter to avoid clicking ads, which includes affiliate links. You can still monetize a site these days, and make some money while not being sketchy, but it requires approaching it as a service to your users, not as an exploit of your users. What I mean by this is that whatever your site is, if your audience has a legit i…

try this https://www.paidverts.com/ref/ednihs

Re: Make Money Online: Documenting 10 Years of Failure

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> The general online audience has matured over the past 10 years, and most people have an excellent filter to avoid clicking ads, which includes affiliate links. I would disagree. I've found a lot of people - especially in tech - have this mindset. The opposite is true, most notably due to the success of giants like Facebook (for people clicking on ads) and huge affiliates like RetailMeNot (a public company). The dif…

> Why does wanting the commission also entail not helping your audience? You're making a conclusion that isn't valid here because you assume that 100% of affiliate links (because they are placed to earn money) add no value for the visitor. Smart affiliates know that if you want the commission, you have to make it valuable. I think you may have accidentally skipped this part from codingdave's comment: >>> What I mean…

try this https://www.paidverts.com/ref/ednihs
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