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Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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This is solving the wrong problem. Car self-driving through 2-4 rush hours does not solve the problem. Not having 2-4 rush hours would.

This is the first step to that solution, though - if all cars are self-driving optimally, that 2-4 hours rush becomes much shorter.

the biggest change would come from carpool adoption

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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I worked for him directly. That's how he gets amazing stuff done. And clearly it works. If employees aren't up for it, probably best to find something else.

Were you an engineerer or a seller?

He was a product manager [1]. Before that, he worked as a finance guy [2].

He was not an engineer.

[1] https://www.crunchbase.com/person/patrick-breitenbach

[2] https://www.linkedin.com/in/pbreitenbach

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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You do realize that he co-founded and is running both a successful electric car company and a successful rocket company? And before that co-founded an insanely successful payments company?

Yes, but he also frequently makes false (or at best incredibly misleading) public statements about how far along they are on such projects. (Source: friend-of-a-friend is one of those groaning Tesla engineers.)

What are you trying to accomplish with this line of questioning. Yes, people fail. What's your point?

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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post #113

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You do realize that he co-founded and is running both a successful electric car company and a successful rocket company? And before that co-founded an insanely successful payments company?

Yes, but he also frequently makes false (or at best incredibly misleading) public statements about how far along they are on such projects. (Source: friend-of-a-friend is one of those groaning Tesla engineers.)

What are you trying to accomplish with this line of questioning. Yes, people fail. What's your point?

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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It would be an interesting experiment to measure actual alertness and ability to react.... I would hazard that while you think you might be alert you're probably less so as because you're not actively driving your brain is not ready to react in the same way as if it's constantly processing while driving. Case in point - I've got two cars, our boring diesel daily driver and 380hp:600kg track day weapon which you reall…

I was thinking of a similar possible problem during my commute this morning, not with automated driving but with automatic equipment and systems in general. Does convenience breed mental laziness and/or decay? In our increasingly automated and comfortable existence, what experiences confront us with the need for high focus and alertness, or systematic problem solving? (Speaking of humans in general, not just engineer…

There was an article about crash statistics on roads that used to be surrounded by tree lanes [1]. There were as many accidents with or without the trees. Removing the trees avoids the opportunities to crash into them, so now people drive faster and carelessly.

I also think stress, in healthy dose, is necessary. I'd bet heavy on decay as a result of removing it. Until the potential self-driving car future where people won't even have to think about driving and will find other ways to be proactive.

[1] http://a395.idata.over-blog.com/1/74/49/41/SPECIALITES-GOURM...

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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"self-driving car" and "car capable driving itself on highway under optimal conditions" are 2 totally different things. The real excitement comes when I can tell my car to go pick up the kids from school or drop me off at the airport and then drive itself back home. Anyways this is a great step in the right direction but its not the game changing tech we're all waiting for.

I bought a new car in Sept 2014. It uses radar to do adaptive cruise control all the way down to stop and go. It also uses camera's to sense the lanes and steer to keep lane. Also handles emergency braking and people cutting me off. So basically, I choose the on-ramp and off-ramp and the car does the rest on the highway. I feel like it's the midpoint between a manual car and an autonomous car. After a few months of u…

Didn't know stop and go was already deployed. I wonder how many people use such a system and thus how trusty it feels. I mean, it's kind of a large field-testing of self-driving car logic subset.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Huge number of features = more to go wrong. Cutting edge tech = higher risk. (can be mitigated with engineering discipline) Small production runs = less time to debug production process, which is a 2 edged sword: higher production costs and more built-in defects.

"Huge number of features = more to go wrong" You do realize that this is a good argument for the Tesla, right? An electric drivetrain is much simpler than a gasoline one, and in a crazy features battle, the S Class trounces a Tesla.

I honestly wasn't trying to profile for or against Tesla or Ultra-High End luxury. They both may face the same problems.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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I mean, the cars are insanely expensive already. I think they're priced to include plenty.

Teslas are in line with other luxury sedans (of course you may view all of those are insanely expensive). The 60 starts at $64K, cash price counting tax credits, and the P85 is $96K. Compare that with the starting prices of the BMW 5-series, $50K (base) to $94K (M5). The Porsche Panamera is $78K to $180K starting price. The Model S has been tested against the Mercedes S550, which starts at $94K. If you look at the pe…

Tesla performance is astounding - better than many cars that are $250k and more.

Tesla interior/luxury/comfort is astonishingly low. All mid-ranged luxury cars (A6, 5-Series, E-class, etc.) are much, much nicer cars to drive in, and many of the lower end (3 series, C class) have nicer interiors as well.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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But we are in a community currently in recoil from remote workers. On HN in the past week I have seen at least half a dozen front page articles about how remote doesn't work or how to do work life balance when remote. If people just cannot function without having their molecules in physical proximity to their bosses molecules you still get stuck with the dumb commutes.

Currently, most offices only need face time ~10-4 most days, but if your driving your out of touch with coworkers in normal business hours which is a hard sell. So often people only get to miss one of those segments either the show up ~10 most days or leave by 4pm most days but not both. Or, they might miss 1-3 days a week depending on meetings etc. Now, suppose your self driving car let's you work while in the car.…

How much does a driver cost in the US? For well paid tech workers I'm wondering if it would be worth it to have a driver rather than spending X hours driving themselves.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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post #113

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You do realize that he co-founded and is running both a successful electric car company and a successful rocket company? And before that co-founded an insanely successful payments company?

Yes, but he also frequently makes false (or at best incredibly misleading) public statements about how far along they are on such projects. (Source: friend-of-a-friend is one of those groaning Tesla engineers.)

If you listen to his interviews, he qualifies most of his statements, certainly more than 90% of the professional business BSers I know. Definitely he qualifies and hesitates much more than most CEOs, that's probably why people emotionally invest in his statements, they trust he at least performed some critical analysis before spitting out the conclusion or tweet.
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