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Re: We are under attack

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Post by moe »

pi-err wrote: post #25
moe wrote: post #18

Sitting down and writing a blog-post seems a pretty laid back reaction to $30k/day in Amazon bills... First thing I'd have done is take the site offline and call the various DDoS mitigation services (Incapsula, Cloudflare, etc.). Pretty surely most of them would gladly pick up the slack here, given the free PR (possibly even in mainstream press) they get in return.

Not sure that turning the light off is the first thing you want to do when you're bullied. And pretty certain that there's zero PR value in those stories.

Not sure that turning the light off is the first thing you want to do when you're bullied.

Unless your attitude is worth $20 USD per minute to you then yes, that's very much what you want to do.

And pretty certain that there's zero PR value in those stories.

Well, Greatfire seems to be betting a 6 figure stake on the opposite here...

Re: We are under attack

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Post by iolothebard »

cpncrunch wrote: post #17

Move to OVH -- they offer free DDoS protection as standard, and unlimited bandwidth. I just moved to OVH after getting DDoSed. I'm paying $109/month for a quad core 3.7Ghz Xeon, 64GB RAM, dual 2TB software RAID. It's a pretty sweet deal, and I haven't had any problems so far.

Wow, I haven't done dedicated hosting in a long time, the prices are insane there!

https://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/enterprise/2014-MG-...

Thanks for posting :-)

I've been looking for provider possibilities for my next failed startup. I'm not sure how they can deliver for that price but who am I to complain!

Re: We are under attack

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Post by cpncrunch »

bovermyer wrote: post #27
cpncrunch wrote: post #17

Move to OVH -- they offer free DDoS protection as standard, and unlimited bandwidth. I just moved to OVH after getting DDoSed. I'm paying $109/month for a quad core 3.7Ghz Xeon, 64GB RAM, dual 2TB software RAID. It's a pretty sweet deal, and I haven't had any problems so far.

I assume you mean 64GB of RAM.

LOL yes, fixed. It's pretty nice...it basically means that our entire disk is always cached.

Re: We are under attack

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Post by Dbrinkly »

earless1 wrote: post #37
moe wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't call Akamai. Never call Akamai. They are horrible. Try Incapsula, GigENet, Blacklotus, Cloudflare first.

Anyone who has ever dealt with Akimai knows that you have to have your Buckets O' cash ready. Cloudflare would probably be the best bang for the buck.

Actually the Prolexic product is one of the most innovative and effective one we've seen to date. DDoS attacks are not a commodity issue, you have to pay to play..Not sure how that makes Akamai horrible..

Re: We are under attack

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Post by superobserver »

ErikRogneby wrote: post #40
moe wrote: post #18

Sitting down and writing a blog-post seems a pretty laid back reaction to $30k/day in Amazon bills... First thing I'd have done is take the site offline and call the various DDoS mitigation services (Incapsula, Cloudflare, etc.). Pretty surely most of them would gladly pick up the slack here, given the free PR (possibly even in mainstream press) they get in return.

Seems brilliant to me if you are trying to battle online censorship in China and get your message out. I agree that one of the mitigation services could benefit from some pro-bono services.

I agree with this. Silently allowing a bully/attacker do as they want is never acceptable. I find GreatFire.org's work commendable and hope they get the help they need.

Re: We are under attack

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Post by Kronopath »

ArtDev wrote: post #26

This is interesting. Though Hacker News appears to not be blocked, it has been flagged as "Contradictory" on certain days. Is the Chinese government blocking certain news items? Take a look here: https://en.greatfire.org/news.ycombinator.com

If you click on the day in the calendar to look at the details, the "Contradictory" status is when some of their test servers work and others don't. For this site in particular, there are several servers showing a timeout and no data received. So it's possible that HN is being partially blocked.

Re: We are under attack

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Post by cpncrunch »

rprime wrote: post #29
cpncrunch wrote: post #17

Move to OVH -- they offer free DDoS protection as standard, and unlimited bandwidth. I just moved to OVH after getting DDoSed. I'm paying $109/month for a quad core 3.7Ghz Xeon, 64GB RAM, dual 2TB software RAID. It's a pretty sweet deal, and I haven't had any problems so far.

Unrelated to the story at hand. Have you been recently DDoSed on OVH? I know that (at least some time ago) they just null-route/deactivate your account on spot with no notification on anything that looks like a DDoS.

No I haven't been DDoSed at OVH (as far as I know), and I don't think they null-route customers any more. Here is some info about their system:

http://www.ovh.com/ca/en/a1171.protection-anti-ddos-service-...

I moved from iweb because they null-routed my server during a DDoS attack that happened for no apparent reason. (My guess is that it was a user upset at some user-generated content, so they decided to DDoS my server rather than notifying me).

Re: We are under attack

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Post by pktgen »

qeorge wrote: post #36
stevecalifornia wrote: post #11

Contact Akamai who recently bought the DDOS mitigation service Prolexic. They may be able to mitigate the attack and save you bandwidth costs. Alternatively, call CloudFlare. Don't just absorb this through Amazon.

CloudFlare is probably not a good choice. They recently blocked access to a similar service, Lantern, per the linked WSJ article. "CloudFlare, which offers content-delivery network services, said last week it cut off Lantern’s use of the service, saying it was unauthorized. “We don’t do anything to thwart the content restrictions in China or other countries,” said Matthew Prince, chief executive of CloudFlare. “We’re…

LOL. Booters (that carry out DDoS attacks which are illegal in CloudFlare's own country)? No problem for CloudFlare. Trying to circumvent Chinese content restrictions? Nope, that's unauthorized!

Re: We are under attack

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Post by diminoten »

qeorge wrote: post #36
stevecalifornia wrote: post #11

Contact Akamai who recently bought the DDOS mitigation service Prolexic. They may be able to mitigate the attack and save you bandwidth costs. Alternatively, call CloudFlare. Don't just absorb this through Amazon.

CloudFlare is probably not a good choice. They recently blocked access to a similar service, Lantern, per the linked WSJ article. "CloudFlare, which offers content-delivery network services, said last week it cut off Lantern’s use of the service, saying it was unauthorized. “We don’t do anything to thwart the content restrictions in China or other countries,” said Matthew Prince, chief executive of CloudFlare. “We’re…

Forgive my outburst, and maybe this sentiment won't be well received given the context, but I just find it to be downright unpatriotic for a US company like CloudFlare to stand there saying things like what Matt Prince says in your quote, when someone comes under attack by an opposing nation state.

Again, I realize this place isn't exactly a bastion for this kind of sentiment, but have some thought for freedom here, CloudFlare. The US may suck at helping a lot of the time, but if you've got a group of folks trying to deliver some good ol' freedom to a country like this, and that country is trying to shut them up, maybe put out a helping hand, or at least don't shut off service.

Come on...

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