Will be interesting when Apple with all their cash starts to fight these laws when they want to sell their i-car.
New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales
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Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales
#92I can understand why they would have needed to limit this bill to only the exclusive manufacturers of ZEV just to get it through legislation, but I'm curious whether it would allow the other manufacturers to spin off the ZEV portions of their businesses into subsidiaries and then be eligible to sell directly as well. It is a very contentious subject, but some people argue that part of the reason the existing big manu…
Manufacturers can make hybrid inventory contingent on ZEV sales, or offer all kinds of other incentives.
Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
which never technically existed in the first place for that company, so the "people" who would be out the job, wouldn't have that job in the first place
I'd have to imagine that the number of jobs created at a Tesla franchise wouldn't dramatically exceed the number of jobs created at a Tesla direct showroom...
Wouldn't they need mechanics and financial people, and not just showroom/dealer people?
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Palo Alto isn't different.[1] Getting rid of these laws will cost NJ jobs, while making products slightly cheaper for everyone else. In a state like NJ, that's a tough pill to swallow no matter what. [1] In fact, I imagine lots of state legislators hate Palo Alto for making middle class jobs in their states obsolete while creating a few high paying jobs in California and diverting the difference to shareholders in Ne…
I don't know if you are advocating for a zero sum view of the economy, but you are definitely describing one. The thing about those middle class jobs that New Jersey is losing, is that they didn't need to exist. The only way they did was by stealing through coercion a little bit from people who chose to buy cars in New Jersey (mostly state residents).
I'm not describing a zero-sum economy. It's possible that NJ suffers a net local loss, even if that's more than outweighed by a net benefit in NJ + CA. And even if NJ enjoys a net local benefit, you still have a bunch of people out of work in return for everyone paying slightly lower prices for cars. In a place like NJ, where unemployment is the #1, #2, and #3 concern, you can see why legislators would be gun-shy about getting rid of local protections in the name of economic idealism.
Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales
#95Suggestion: go to Amsterdam Schiphol. Take a Tesla Model S to the city. Then make up your mind about the "Apple of cars". The consensus in NL is that you're better off with a Porsche Panamera than a Tesla, most likely with a less painful (although still painful) amortisation. Certainly, if you're taller than 180cm, drive before you buy into the hype.
It appears that you're implying an obvious conclusion based on a very specific experience, but I don't follow the implication. Can you elaborate?
Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales
#96Suggestion: go to Amsterdam Schiphol. Take a Tesla Model S to the city. Then make up your mind about the "Apple of cars". The consensus in NL is that you're better off with a Porsche Panamera than a Tesla, most likely with a less painful (although still painful) amortisation. Certainly, if you're taller than 180cm, drive before you buy into the hype.
A few points:
1) The Model S sells almost exactly the same number of units as the Panamera in Holland. I have absolutely no clue why you're claiming consensus when the market says it's a toss-up.
2) I'm tall. I'm a Tesla owner. My partner is also tall. He's also a Tesla owner. It's one of the best cars for tall folks on the market.
I have no clue what you're on about. You appear to be talking out of your ass for no obvious reason, except that you dislike Tesla. Get a life.
Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales
#97Will be interesting when Apple with all their cash starts to fight these laws when they want to sell their i-car.
Agreed on this point.
How will the balance of power manifest when Google, Apple, Uber, others with deep pockets start selling cars without haggling or BS in a 'car store'?
The future is bright after all!
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#98This is great news. People often forget that dealerships often abuse their power and take advantage of consumers. This is especially true since purchasing a car is a large purchase with information asymmetry (although new resources have made this less true). It's especially appalling how dealerships often discriminate on race and gender [0] I am disappointed that this move only applies to zero-emission vehicles but h…
>People often forget that dealerships often abuse their power and take advantage of consumers.
Don't worry we're reminded everytime we interact with them. Nothing says captive monopoly like an auto dealership. I'm buying a new car soon and am dreading the experience. I'm leaning towards a used car that's still on warranty because of how bad the dealership experience is and the various ways they try to scam you (hidden costs, poor financing, insulting your credit score to hike interest, trade-in scams, MSRP games, overpriced dealer add-ons, etc).
I watched as a salesman did a "pull the keys" at a Jeep dealership. It was so obviously fake. Another salesman just walked up, took the keys from my salesman, and said, "We have others interested in this game" to pressure me. I saw that guy through the glass walls. He didn't have a customer. He just pocketed them and looked at once once in a while in anticipation.
Not to mention how they treat women like shit. The things my wife puts up at the dealership is inexcusable. They tried to get her to pay, out of pocket, a engine rebuild for a car on warranty. I pretty much had to yell at them to honor it and call my lawyer.
I'm pretty critical of Tesla, but I do think their no-haggle Saturn-like policy is excellent. If Tesla survives long enough to sell an affordable electric with great range, its a no-brainer buy for me.
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#99Why only (4) stores? Why only "zero-emissions" vehicles? There should be zero limitations on direct to consumer sales for any manufacturer of any product.
because the dealership's concern is not Tesla, whom they consider a niche player. Their concern is their manufacturers GM, Toyota, Ford will set up their own stores and compete with and undercut them. The dealerships have poured a lot of resources into their dealerships over the years and it is an anti-trust issue for them to compete directly with the much more powerfule manufacturers.
If they can't compete, that means they're not providing sufficient value. What value would I, as a consumer, enjoy by doing business with a local dealer rather than the manufacturer?
I don't think the fear here is that they would "undercut them". I would do business directly with Ford, Toyota, etc. even if the price were the same. That's what they're afraid of.
Re: New Jersey legalizes direct Tesla sales
#100This is great news. People often forget that dealerships often abuse their power and take advantage of consumers. This is especially true since purchasing a car is a large purchase with information asymmetry (although new resources have made this less true). It's especially appalling how dealerships often discriminate on race and gender [0] I am disappointed that this move only applies to zero-emission vehicles but h…
>People often forget that dealerships often abuse their power and take advantage of consumers. Don't worry we're reminded everytime we interact with them. Nothing says captive monopoly like an auto dealership. I'm buying a new car soon and am dreading the experience. I'm leaning towards a used car that's still on warranty because of how bad the dealership experience is and the various ways they try to scam you (hidde…
>I'm buying a new car soon and am dreading the experience
I've bought multiple cars in my life. I don't understand this in the slightest. Every experience I've had has been only slightly more involved than purchasing anything else, as it should be for the cost.
The dealership world is hyper-competitive. Know the value of the car you want, and what you're willing to pay. Let them know that. If they can't do it, go elsewhere. Don't pay for anything you didn't ask for.
Like practically every other consumer experience, the buyer has all the power. You're the one signing the cheque. They want your business.
>poor financing
Most companies offer 0% financing. Where else can you get that?