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Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by sudioStudio64 »

jevgeni wrote: post #87
sudioStudio64 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is...you're trying to make it act like linux. That will be a fight. If you take the time to learn how things are done on windows...or any platform for that matter...it wouldn't be that hard.

This is exactly the thing. I have been using xBSD and OS X for the last 10 years, but have been confronted with the need to do some financial modelling on Windows (as a side note, I guess this is not "serious" computing, according to some comments here). Attempt #1: Try the SciPy/Anaconda stack. Mostly OK, but Python's Windows support is an afterthought. Anaconda is especially sweet, but getting any kind of serious P…

Whether anyone here thinks that is serious enough or not...that's pretty freaking cool. Right on.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by ld00d »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #66
zenlot wrote: post #8

Seems that author is confusing Microsoft Windows 8.1 with the Lenovo stuff which it ships along when you buy a laptop with the pre-installed software. And because of this reason I didn't bother reading other parts of the article. Though, I have been using FreeBSD as a base for 10+ years, Linux at work and with the arrival of Windows 8.1 I have switched to base of 8.1+Hyper-V+FreeBSD as a VM. This perfectly works on t…

> The bottom line , the computer was full of crappy Lenovo and other brands software that just gets in my way and i don't want to use. Even worse after about 2 days some of the bundled Lenovo apps started crashing once in a while. I know this issue is not related to microsoft, and i am not blaming them for this. Seems pretty clear to me that he's not confusing the Lenovo stuff with Windows.

Even if he was, that speaks to one of the main issues with Windows: most of the time you get a Windows machine, it has manufacturer-installed software. Microsoft could choose to control that through their licensing, but they don't.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by fsniper »

jmuguy wrote: post #47
fsniper wrote: post #25

I'm actually fascinated with the lastest comment on that page from klkvsk: "Anyways, blame Intel and N-7265 wifi adapter you have in your laptop, not Microsoft. Windows does have a generic driver that works well most of their adapters, but seems like not all of them. That's a question for Intel, why is it not compatible." This is just Linux guys' (me) scripted answer for people trying linux for the first time who has…

I'm not sure whats up with Intel wireless in the past couple of years but we (team of IT guys) constantly deal with issues with it on Windows (specifically HP notebooks). For a while our response was to look for driver updates. We finally discovered that rolling the driver back, usually to whatever came with Windows, was the real answer.

I'm lucky I'm not working in a similar position. I hate driver issues.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by zenlot »

zamalek wrote: post #30
jkot wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Linux user it is sort of shock. Also why that thing has 230MB? Even 10MB would be too much.

There is probably 10MB worth of driver, and 220MB worth of crapware. If you install a fresh copy of Windows those hardware vendors are going to try their damned hardest to get their crapware back on to your machine.

I have just opened support.lenovo.com and checked for the drivers of Yoga models, randomly chosen 4 of those, and all the official WiFi drivers are worth: 64MB. I am not sure what the author was downloading then. --- BCM WIFI driver for Windows 8.1 (32-bit) exe 64 MB Windows 8.1 (32-bit) Wifi-BCM-5.93.98.207 2/12/2015 ---

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by beyti »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #68
beyti wrote: post #61

I think the OP has a lot of confusions about the "vendor", "operating system" and very suprisingly with "linux" and "ubuntu" generalization. I can understand the first two, but can't seem to understand one who has 8 years of xp with linux is able to generalize "ubuntu" with all of the other linux operating systems. Quite the waste of my time to read this, nothing gained for me other than the thought of "hackernews to…

> The bottom line , the computer was full of crappy Lenovo and other brands software that just gets in my way and i don't want to use. Even worse after about 2 days some of the bundled Lenovo apps started crashing once in a while. I know this issue is not related to microsoft, and i am not blaming them for this. It's pretty clear that he distinguishes Microsoft from Lenovo. There's nothing specific that I can point t…

I can clearly read that he was devastated about the Lenovo bloatware aorund 3rd day and 1 for Microsoft & No network problem. I assume more of a vendor issue than microsoft caused this tiredness.

And Ubuntu is a really distinguished linux distro for its ease of usability and general driver compatibility; not like most of other greatly used linux distros, which care more of power users than everyday users.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by theandrewbailey »

beyti wrote: post #95
theandrewbailey wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The bottom line , the computer was full of crappy Lenovo and other brands software that just gets in my way and i don't want to use. Even worse after about 2 days some of the bundled Lenovo apps started crashing once in a while. I know this issue is not related to microsoft, and i am not blaming them for this. It's pretty clear that he distinguishes Microsoft from Lenovo. There's nothing specific that I can point t…

I can clearly read that he was devastated about the Lenovo bloatware aorund 3rd day and 1 for Microsoft & No network problem. I assume more of a vendor issue than microsoft caused this tiredness. And Ubuntu is a really distinguished linux distro for its ease of usability and general driver compatibility; not like most of other greatly used linux distros, which care more of power users than everyday users.

> And Ubuntu is a really distinguished linux distro for its ease of usability and general driver compatibility

It's why I've had my parents using Xubuntu for the past 4 years. There haven't been any Big Problems. Calling Xubuntu Ubuntu might be cheating, but it's the same thing minus Unity.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by Shorel »

I dual boot Windows 8.1 and Linux Ubuntu in a Dell Inspiron 13 2-in-1.

It's true Intel network drivers suck. Not only WiFi. I have to transfer the Ethernet network driver for the desktops in the office via USB, as any Windows Install does not have the driver in the disk. And this is for wired networking.

Nowadays most network hardware is done by Intel. So it sucks everywhere.

In contrast, Ubuntu is totally plug and play. I have an external USB drive that can boot in the desktops and in the Dell laptop. Even with different video cards (AMD vs Intel), it just works.

I can change the sound output device with a single click in Ubuntu. The laptop boots in 'secure mode' and Ubuntu is recognized by the UEFI loader.

But not everything is perfect in Linux.

The accelerometer (or whatever hardware that autodetects the laptop's rotation) only works in Windows. Then, for reading comics, I boot to Windows.

The video performance is better in Windows. I always get screen tearing in Ubuntu, while I get perfect playback in Windows (unless I use display mirroring and output to HDMI and the internal display at the same time).

If I want good FullHD video, I have to boot into Windows (and output to only one screen).

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by Shorel »

jordigh wrote: post #78
eddieroger wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know that the "unix cli/packaging system" thing is actual UNIX, right? Like, bona fide, certified UNIX for a while now. Homebrew is just a different package manager than you're used to, but not so different from things like apt or yum once you get to know your way around it.

I'm sorry, but comparing homebrew to apt or yum just incenses me. Let's begin with the most glaring difference: source distribution vs binary distribution. Installing my GNU Octave takes under a minute with yum or apt but hours or days with homebrew or macports. Let's also proceed with how none of homebrew, macports or fink is native to Mac OS X, but is some tacked-on thing that most Mac OS X users are unfamiliar wit…

Then it can be compared to Gentoo. Which is actually another Linux distro.

(but I no longer use it)

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by Shorel »

rikkus wrote: post #16
bryanlarsen wrote: post #10

I had experiences very similar to those of the OP. After almost 20 years with Solaris or Linux as my primary OS (with a brief interlude using OSX), I bought a Lenova Yoga 2 Pro and I thought I'd try using Windows as my primary OS. Two motivators: Windows had at the time better HighDPI support than Linux, and since I use Vagrant for everything anyways, I thought I could get the best of both worlds. That experiment did…

"Emacs & the CLI are second class citizens on Windows" I haven't used Emacs on Windows, but Powershell is the best shell I've used (I used to use zsh on Linux). There's also console2 and conemu if you want to avoid the built in cmd-derivative, which is rather unpleasant.

But in Windows if I want to ssh somewhere I have to use another program.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Post by Shorel »

bebna wrote: post #5
luxpir wrote: post #2

Impressed by the writer's dedication to putting spaces both before and after punctuation. Also nice to start to read from Linux natives being confused with Windows. Oh how the worm has turned! I've a foot in both camps, but any serious computing happens on Linux. With the exceptions of Excel and some niche Win-only software I work with.

As someone who uses sc[1][2] (basic desc: spreadsheets in console with vi-like controls), I don't understand why someone would use switch to windows (as in reboot), just for Excel. Don't gnumeric and libreoffice fill all your typical spreadsheet needs? [1] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10699 [2] https://github.com/dkastner/sc

WPS Office is the solution here.
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