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The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by mike_hearn »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #25

>While other sites followed the original Silk Road’s ethos of selling only victimless contraband While human sacrifices may not be a literal ingredient of drugs, calling it victimless ignores a whole lot of problems caused by drugs. Buying pot from your friend who grows it is victimless. But fueling any black market, even one that avoids identity theft, means you are supporting the marketplace that provides service t…

I think a better argument is that the SR guys were not above selling things like malware and (via The Armory) RPG launchers. The whole "victimless crimes" trope was pretty thin even at the start.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by joeyspn »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #36
joeyspn wrote: post #3

Aaaand its gone... and I bet with gazillions of the user's bitcoins (this is becoming a classic)

Although it takes a certain amount of guts to steal from drug dealers. They don't generally bother with suing you in court to recover their funds :-)

Yes, definitely it takes a big pair... I reckon the admins of these sites must be the same kind of people that don't really care stealing from anybody, even big banks.

What I don't understand is why after so many thefts the users (sellers and buyers) still trust this kind of underground services without demanding additional security measures like multi-signature wallets.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by joeyspn »

curiously wrote: post #23

well looks like these thiefs selling their bitcoins will push down the prices....almost 40 million dollars they've stolen, how the fuck do they expect to cash out without getting caught?

Probably they're already doing it. I was wondering why the plunge in price during the last 24h, and then I found this thread. We were in our slow-but-steady way to recovery and bam! now back to downtrend. Always the same history. Shit happens...

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by al2o3cr »

danudey wrote: post #70
edgarallenbro wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking victimless , not harmless . With drugs, there is no victim, because the person making the purchase is making a conscious choice to buy something to put into their body. They are well aware of the effects and risks. Contrarily, identity theft is clearly not victimless. A person's credit card or social security number is taken from them without their knowledge or consent so that it can be sold. To go on a…

Using drugs is victimless, but given that a lot of drug manufacture and cultivation is directly linked to organized crime, buying drugs is only victimless if you know for a fact that your drugs are ethically grown, fair trade, etc. Which you don't.

By that logic, there's a good chance you're a perpetrator of slavery due to the labor that put your computer and/or its constituent parts together...

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by downandout »

Not to add insult to injury, but these people posting on Reddit complaining about the money they have lost are opening themselves up to massive prison sentences. Reddit is a US site; all it takes to arrest everyone posting is to subpoena Reddit, get their IP's/emails/whatever, then raid their houses looking for drugs and whatever other contraband the police can find. Complaining publicly that you lost money on a site whose sole purpose was to sell illegal items is plenty of probable cause - especially with several implied death threats and people saying they may be killed over missing funds right in the thread. The feds will be all over this.

Not that they shouldn't complain somewhere, but maybe keep it on the darknet sites.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by avn2109 »

al2o3cr wrote: post #74
danudey wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using drugs is victimless, but given that a lot of drug manufacture and cultivation is directly linked to organized crime, buying drugs is only victimless if you know for a fact that your drugs are ethically grown, fair trade, etc. Which you don't.

By that logic, there's a good chance you're a perpetrator of slavery due to the labor that put your computer and/or its constituent parts together...

For me, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that both you and the parent are right.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by meepmorp »

nyolfen wrote: post #58
pakled_engineer wrote: post #11

Brokering narcotics and everything else to the entire world is an unsustainable business you have no safe country to flee to if caught or outed. Surprised these black markets don't just focus on one foreign market from their stronghold in Abkhazia or something.

setting up with iranian hosting might be a plausible way to go about it

And a great way to get yourself some terrorism related charges when you inevitably fuck up and leak identifying information.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by therealwill »

UberMouse wrote: post #55
DennisP wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin allows transactions that only become valid once 2 of 3 people sign them. If the three people are buyer, seller, and arbitrator, you can have escrow without trusting a third party. There have already been commercial services along those lines. Seems to me that any dark service that doesn't do it that way probably shouldn't be trusted.

The article mentions that Evolution provides such a service, but it didn't get heavily used. Quoting from the article >That system, would require at least two out of three parties in a transaction—the buyer, the seller, and Evolution’s administrators—to sign off on a deal. But due to its complexity, buyers rarely used the feature. Edit: apparently this does not use bitcoins version of it, but their own that requires…

Once again user experience trumps security

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by stordoff »

downandout wrote: post #75

Not to add insult to injury, but these people posting on Reddit complaining about the money they have lost are opening themselves up to massive prison sentences. Reddit is a US site; all it takes to arrest everyone posting is to subpoena Reddit, get their IP's/emails/whatever, then raid their houses looking for drugs and whatever other contraband the police can find. Complaining publicly that you lost money on a site…

I'd presume they are posting to Reddit cia TOR, so I doubt subpoenaing Reddit would give much new information.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by downandout »

stordoff wrote: post #79
downandout wrote: post #75

Not to add insult to injury, but these people posting on Reddit complaining about the money they have lost are opening themselves up to massive prison sentences. Reddit is a US site; all it takes to arrest everyone posting is to subpoena Reddit, get their IP's/emails/whatever, then raid their houses looking for drugs and whatever other contraband the police can find. Complaining publicly that you lost money on a site…

I'd presume they are posting to Reddit cia TOR, so I doubt subpoenaing Reddit would give much new information.

I thought about that, but you never know. There are other bits and pieces available...email, which might lead to a real IP via another subpoena if the person isn't careful, ad/tracking cookies, etc. I would guarantee you that some of these people aren't being that careful with their clearnet activities.
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