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The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by dedward »

hackuser wrote: post #32
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #25

>While other sites followed the original Silk Road’s ethos of selling only victimless contraband While human sacrifices may not be a literal ingredient of drugs, calling it victimless ignores a whole lot of problems caused by drugs. Buying pot from your friend who grows it is victimless. But fueling any black market, even one that avoids identity theft, means you are supporting the marketplace that provides service t…

The drug cartels brutally murder thousands and commit many other crimes -- they are as brutal as ISIS in many ways -- they undermine and oppress entire countries and ruin large parts of American cities. Many organizations such as the Taliban and Hezbollah fund themselves via the drug trade. Some people boycott companies over political issues; how many of them still buy drugs? Every user I know, to whom I've mentioned…

I have never heard someone claim their heroin and cocaine were "homegrown".

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by dedward »

hackuser wrote: post #32
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #25

>While other sites followed the original Silk Road’s ethos of selling only victimless contraband While human sacrifices may not be a literal ingredient of drugs, calling it victimless ignores a whole lot of problems caused by drugs. Buying pot from your friend who grows it is victimless. But fueling any black market, even one that avoids identity theft, means you are supporting the marketplace that provides service t…

The drug cartels brutally murder thousands and commit many other crimes -- they are as brutal as ISIS in many ways -- they undermine and oppress entire countries and ruin large parts of American cities. Many organizations such as the Taliban and Hezbollah fund themselves via the drug trade. Some people boycott companies over political issues; how many of them still buy drugs? Every user I know, to whom I've mentioned…

I have never heard someone claim their heroin and cocaine were "homegrown".

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by edgarallenbro »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #25

>While other sites followed the original Silk Road’s ethos of selling only victimless contraband While human sacrifices may not be a literal ingredient of drugs, calling it victimless ignores a whole lot of problems caused by drugs. Buying pot from your friend who grows it is victimless. But fueling any black market, even one that avoids identity theft, means you are supporting the marketplace that provides service t…

We're talking victimless, not harmless. With drugs, there is no victim, because the person making the purchase is making a conscious choice to buy something to put into their body. They are well aware of the effects and risks.

Contrarily, identity theft is clearly not victimless. A person's credit card or social security number is taken from them without their knowledge or consent so that it can be sold.

To go on an anti-drug tirade here when your pedantry isn't even correct does no one any good. All you're doing is parroting and reinforcing negative drug stereotypes. You wouldn't be doing so if those sentiments weren't pushed on you since before you could even comprehend them.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by vdaniuk »

smtddr wrote: post #38
vdaniuk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Applying your logic, purchasing anything from US, Saudia Arabia or Russian companies is "supporting the marketplace that provides service to" government officials and politicians "of the sort that kill", abuse and torture people. Do you agree?

If you cast your logic-net wide enough, you can make all sorts of connections & correlations. Anything and everything indirectly funds anything and everything else. You can't decide to shutdown all USA companies; or if you did you'd cause a lot more problems than you'd solve. But you can shutdown a website selling illegal drugs. And that would arguably solve more problems than it would cause.... arguably, maybe. I co…

It is not reasonable to talk about the existence of black markets. They existed, they exist, they will exist. I am nearly sure that as an economic and social constructs digital black markets will outlive companies/corporations.

Also your reductio ad absurdum about humans is well, absurd.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by smtddr »

vdaniuk wrote: post #44
smtddr wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you cast your logic-net wide enough, you can make all sorts of connections & correlations. Anything and everything indirectly funds anything and everything else. You can't decide to shutdown all USA companies; or if you did you'd cause a lot more problems than you'd solve. But you can shutdown a website selling illegal drugs. And that would arguably solve more problems than it would cause.... arguably, maybe. I co…

It is not reasonable to talk about the existence of black markets. They existed, they exist, they will exist. I am nearly sure that as an economic and social constructs digital black markets will outlive companies/corporations. Also your reductio ad absurdum about humans is well, absurd.

And the scope of "purchasing anything from US, Saudia Arabia or Russian companies" ...is reasonable?

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by superuser2 »

DennisP wrote: post #40
codesuela wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Escrow, funds are only released once the buyer confirms that he received the shipment. If you have a ton of outstanding orders, you are going to have a lot of funds frozen in escrow.

Bitcoin allows transactions that only become valid once 2 of 3 people sign them. If the three people are buyer, seller, and arbitrator, you can have escrow without trusting a third party. There have already been commercial services along those lines. Seems to me that any dark service that doesn't do it that way probably shouldn't be trusted.

>arbitrator

Is the arbitrator not a third party?

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by pakled_engineer »

tlrobinson wrote: post #29
Igglyboo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evolution did use escrow, except that they were the middle man between buyer and seller. Even with escrow you still have to put your trust in someone else.

Even with escrow you still have to put your trust in someone else. Not with Bitcoin. With multi-sig transactions you don't have to trust the escrow agent to not steal your money (assuming you're confident the escrow agent is not also the other party in the transaction): https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_2:_Escrow_and_d... As dshankar pointed out, Evolution supported these types of transactions but they wer…

They had some scheme where you had to give them all your coins first then they used their own software to gen multi-sig http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/24vio2/z/chc...

Probably because no bitcoin clients that aren't 3rd party (blockchain.info wallets) offer multi sig in an easy to use UI so nobody could figure it out and just trusted the admins of Evo.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by Phlarp »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #33
ChartsNGraffs wrote: post #31

Perhaps I don't understand Bitcoin well enough, but wouldn't these guys out themselves the instant they try and spend them because of the public transaction history?

There are tumbler services, no idea how well they work or how many are compromised but in theory it seems like it could work.

I'm surprised we haven't seen more theft and fraud with the tumblers. I used one out of curiosity about two years ago and the experience was basically to fill out a super shady looking webform, send the coins to the address it gives you, and then pray like hell that they come back out the other end.

Re: The Dark Web’s Top Drug Market, Evolution, Just Vanished

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Post by vdaniuk »

smtddr wrote: post #45
vdaniuk wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not reasonable to talk about the existence of black markets. They existed, they exist, they will exist. I am nearly sure that as an economic and social constructs digital black markets will outlive companies/corporations. Also your reductio ad absurdum about humans is well, absurd.

And the scope of "purchasing anything from US, Saudia Arabia or Russian companies" ...is reasonable?

Indeed, a quite reasonable response to demonstrate the futility of the "drug users are financing cartels" argument.
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