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Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by rm445 »

jskonhovd wrote: post #57
ccozan wrote: post #52

This is almost OK. Wait until you have twin boys, like me. They are 20 months now, grown at home, no day care ( KiTa as in Germany ;Kindergarden is later on). They don't speak, but very few words with a meaning ( mama, papa, apa ). But! Here it comes: they speak between them and communicate using a almost invented language. The language is so strange, because is based on using the same word ( twin 1 uses 'bahdi', twi…

I did the same with my twin. It's quite common from my understanding.

Fascinating - do you remember it? (As opposed to being told about it / vague memories-of-memories). Are there any remnants in how you communicate with your twin now?

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by mipapage »

emodendroket wrote: post #73
mipapage wrote: post #47

I'm going to share this in case someone finds it useful... I am Canadian and married to a Spanish women and living in Spain. While my son started out sponging up both languages, he eventually took off in Spanish and left English behind. In order to have some form of relationship with him I had to speak Spanish with him. People would lecture me, "oh, give him that gift of English" or "how can you not be speaking Engli…

Yeah, unfortunately kids get pretty clever about this and resist doing language acquisition that isn't necessary.

When I came to Spain a lot of (Spanish) people would give me the "why do we need to learn English?", and then the market crashed. To this day I interact with younger folk who continue this line of thinking; the ones who leave and learn English and find work are going to be much better prepared...

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by neurotech1 »

ccozan wrote: post #52

This is almost OK. Wait until you have twin boys, like me. They are 20 months now, grown at home, no day care ( KiTa as in Germany ;Kindergarden is later on). They don't speak, but very few words with a meaning ( mama, papa, apa ). But! Here it comes: they speak between them and communicate using a almost invented language. The language is so strange, because is based on using the same word ( twin 1 uses 'bahdi', twi…

In the 80s there was a group of Russian girls (almost identical, sisters or cousins) that spoke to each other in a strange language. They didn't responded if someone spoke to them in English.

It turned out they spoke Russian, but the words and pronunciation young kids use at home is very different to what they teach as Russian in America from textbooks and language tapes. It took a native bilingual Russian speaking doctor to figure out that mystery.

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by DavidSJ »

ohjesusthatguy wrote: post #45
le_lenny_face wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>change the meaning of the poem What? Those lines are the poem!

In the short time I've been reading HN, it's become clear that its readership likes to think of itself as more enlightened than the average mouthbreathing yokel. It doesn't mean they don't have their own orthodoxy, though, and religion is one of those things We Don't Acknowledge Around Here. Hell, I'm an atheist and I would have added the last lines anyway[0]. Of course, he didn't attribute the poem to the author any…

I included the link in your zeroeth reference in my original post, well before anyone had replied. I had no intention to take credit for the poem, and assumed most readers here were smart enough to infer authorship from the link I included. Please, a little more charity in interpretation and a little more attention to detail would go a long way in keeping discourse friendly here.

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by ohjesusthatguy »

DavidSJ wrote: post #84
ohjesusthatguy wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the short time I've been reading HN, it's become clear that its readership likes to think of itself as more enlightened than the average mouthbreathing yokel. It doesn't mean they don't have their own orthodoxy, though, and religion is one of those things We Don't Acknowledge Around Here. Hell, I'm an atheist and I would have added the last lines anyway[0]. Of course, he didn't attribute the poem to the author any…

I included the link in your zeroeth reference in my original post, well before anyone had replied. I had no intention to take credit for the poem, and assumed most readers here were smart enough to infer authorship from the link I included. Please, a little more charity in interpretation and a little more attention to detail would go a long way in keeping discourse friendly here.

Says the guy editing poetry because he doesn't agree with the sentiment. Sure, I'll go easier on you next time.

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by DavidSJ »

ohjesusthatguy wrote: post #85
DavidSJ wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I included the link in your zeroeth reference in my original post, well before anyone had replied. I had no intention to take credit for the poem, and assumed most readers here were smart enough to infer authorship from the link I included. Please, a little more charity in interpretation and a little more attention to detail would go a long way in keeping discourse friendly here.

Says the guy editing poetry because he doesn't agree with the sentiment. Sure, I'll go easier on you next time.

I omitted the last few lines while including an ellipsis to indicate I had done so, and including a link to the original so people could see the full poem (as well as authorship) for themselves. I don't think I changed the meaning of the part I quoted, so I think the omission was fair, though I was conflicted about doing it since there really were only a few more lines remaining.

Your accusation that I deliberately didn't name the author in order to take credit was false and assumes bad faith, especially given that, contrary to your assertion, the link to the full poem with named author was in my original post. I haven't seen a retraction or apology from you for that assertion despite its demonstrable inaccuracy, nothing but the assumption of bad faith and hostility. It's possible to express disagreement without either, which is what has generally made Hacker News discussions great. You can disagree with me without assuming every possible bad thing about me, and with a good faith desire to reach common understanding.

I'll let you get the last word since I don't want to turn this into a flame war, but please be civil. Take care.

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by emodendroket »

mipapage wrote: post #82
emodendroket wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, unfortunately kids get pretty clever about this and resist doing language acquisition that isn't necessary.

When I came to Spain a lot of (Spanish) people would give me the "why do we need to learn English?", and then the market crashed. To this day I interact with younger folk who continue this line of thinking; the ones who leave and learn English and find work are going to be much better prepared...

What I mean by "necessary" is "necessary to a child, for his day-to-day life." Very often kids pick up that Mom and Dad understand (at least to some extent) the local language too and then stop picking up whatever the second language is.

Anyway, at least Spanish people are speaking one of the world's most widely used languages... I think the top four are Chinese, French, Spanish, and English, but don't quote me on it.

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by gingerlime »

blackkettle wrote: post #77
gingerlime wrote: post #76

My wife is Japanese, I'm Israeli, and we both live in Berin, where our son was born. We talk to him in our native language, and between us in English. He goes to the Kita, where they speak only German... He's still fairly young (17 months), so doesn't really talk much, but we can spot a few German words (Ja! Nein). He does seem to understand Hebrew and Japanese when we talk to him, and says one or two words in Hebrew…

wanwan is the sound the dog makes (like ruff-ruff in English). wan-chan is a colloquial term for dog. [just to be a nit-picking ass].

I'll make sure to tell it to my son (and my wife!) so he learns things the proper way ;-)

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by ohjesusthatguy »

DavidSJ wrote: post #86
ohjesusthatguy wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Says the guy editing poetry because he doesn't agree with the sentiment. Sure, I'll go easier on you next time.

I omitted the last few lines while including an ellipsis to indicate I had done so, and including a link to the original so people could see the full poem (as well as authorship) for themselves. I don't think I changed the meaning of the part I quoted, so I think the omission was fair, though I was conflicted about doing it since there really were only a few more lines remaining. Your accusation that I deliberately d…

"It's not because I thought the audience would be hostile, but I don't like those last few lines (mainly because of that turn), and think it's a better poem without them. Do you think it's better to leave it intact?"

This is the part with which I disagree. Let's just drop the nonattribution that you did indeed fix after the fact.

You said you edited the writing to alter its meaning. Is this not the case? While I was indeed blunt, I was not incorrect in pointing out you took the writing of a noted Lebanese author and removed the lines that offended your sensibilities.

Like I said, I am a nonbeliever. Misquoting (and that is indeed what you did when you removed those three lines) makes you look petty. Take care.

Re: When your child speaks a language you don’t

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Post by darklajid »

ohjesusthatguy wrote: post #45
le_lenny_face wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>change the meaning of the poem What? Those lines are the poem!

In the short time I've been reading HN, it's become clear that its readership likes to think of itself as more enlightened than the average mouthbreathing yokel. It doesn't mean they don't have their own orthodoxy, though, and religion is one of those things We Don't Acknowledge Around Here. Hell, I'm an atheist and I would have added the last lines anyway[0]. Of course, he didn't attribute the poem to the author any…

This guys is wrong.

Why do I know that? Because I read the poem (didn't like it), clicked the LINK right below it and downvoted it, because it's - for me - a nutjob sort of thing.

That said: The post contained the reference to the original source. 'ohjesusthatguy' is .. that guy, and either misremembering things or lying. Again:

That thing was posted (and - there were only 2 or 3 top level comments _at all_ on this story), with a link to 'katsandogz' and that .. 'prophet'.

So for all the visitors here:

- Hit the down arrow for ohjesusthatguy for these false accusations

- Hit the down arrow for me for downvoting content like this because the last part of the poem and the linked page seem .. insane

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