While these were not technically NDE's, it definitely opened up for me the possibility that an NDE is potentially possible and that more research should go into this.
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#12What we can perceive collectively tells us little about our collective consciousness. Humans are more than just meat.
Why do you think that we are more than 'thinking meat'? Seems like there is no evidence for that at all. [Let’s say experiments are done, and there is finally a comprehensive, scientifically rigorous, and materialist account of what causes an NDE. What then? Does it mean that all the stories people tell of seeing angels and meeting their deceased relatives are just fairy tales to be ignored?] Yes, but that's even unr…
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#14Anecdotally speaking, I have had 2 out of body experiences which were extremely vivid. Think about if your consciousness could be ejected outside and above your body somehow and you were looking down at your physical self. One experience was while awake meditating and the other was while sleeping. No drugs involved etc. While these were not technically NDE's, it definitely opened up for me the possibility that an NDE…
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#15Anecdotally speaking, I have had 2 out of body experiences which were extremely vivid. Think about if your consciousness could be ejected outside and above your body somehow and you were looking down at your physical self. One experience was while awake meditating and the other was while sleeping. No drugs involved etc. While these were not technically NDE's, it definitely opened up for me the possibility that an NDE…
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#16It would be interesting to find someone who had had an NDE and taken LSD (on a separate occasion), and ask them to compare the two experiences in terms of vividness, beauty, feelings of peace or being loved, etc.
Or, you know, the complete opposite.
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#17It would be interesting to find someone who had had an NDE and taken LSD (on a separate occasion), and ask them to compare the two experiences in terms of vividness, beauty, feelings of peace or being loved, etc.
> vividness, beauty, feelings of peace or being loved, etc. Or, you know, the complete opposite.
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#18Anecdotally speaking, I have had 2 out of body experiences which were extremely vivid. Think about if your consciousness could be ejected outside and above your body somehow and you were looking down at your physical self. One experience was while awake meditating and the other was while sleeping. No drugs involved etc. While these were not technically NDE's, it definitely opened up for me the possibility that an NDE…
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#19Anecdotally speaking, I have had 2 out of body experiences which were extremely vivid. Think about if your consciousness could be ejected outside and above your body somehow and you were looking down at your physical self. One experience was while awake meditating and the other was while sleeping. No drugs involved etc. While these were not technically NDE's, it definitely opened up for me the possibility that an NDE…
An out of body experience occurs when the mind is concentrated and the body goes to sleep. It's a skill that can be learned. It takes some people months of practice, while others do it on their first try.
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#20Anecdotally speaking, I have had 2 out of body experiences which were extremely vivid. Think about if your consciousness could be ejected outside and above your body somehow and you were looking down at your physical self. One experience was while awake meditating and the other was while sleeping. No drugs involved etc. While these were not technically NDE's, it definitely opened up for me the possibility that an NDE…
Did you collect any information about your surroundings in that state? Do you feel you were you really "looking" at your physical self, through some other sensory capability, or was it a mental construction?
However, you will often project things onto the environment subconsciously, so it may not be exactly in line with the physical world.
It's like there is a description of the world there that we can access, but we can also overlay our own constructs on top of that description. An unbridled mind fills the environment with seemingly random imagery and we experience dreams, but a concentrated mind sees the environment itself.
It's really not much different from being awake actually - sometimes you're fully aware of your concrete surroundings and other times you're lost in abstract daydreams, completely oblivious to what's going on around you.
As for "looking" at yourself, I usually wouldn't see my body, but I'd feel a strong magnetic pull coming from that area of the room. If I got too close, I'd get sucked into my body and wake up.
I believe data about the physical world is available during an out of body experience, but it's impossible to be entirely objective about it since, whether in the body or "outside" of it, we have no choice but to access that data through a mental construct, i.e., an experience.