I got really lazy recently and uploaded a demo video of an amplifier I built without adjusting the audio level, and it made for a very quiet video. I wonder if it has been normalized for playback by youtube yet.
YouTube puts the final nail in the loudness wars' coffin
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#92Need this for porn
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> It's like watching a series on TV and then getting blasted with EXTREMELY LOUD COMMERCIAL BREAKS (and they do that shit on purpose too). Call me cynical, but I immediately thought that formed part of YouTube's motivation for this.
I must be the opposite of cynical, because I assumed they were doing it to combat that. The FCC already acted against the practice on TV. http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/loud-commercials
If France, the network cant increase the loudness during the ads. Instead, the sound is (sometimes, heavily) compressed. Annoying as hell.
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Pretty sure that first MGMT album clips all over the place. And yeah I agree. That first SOAD album is an impressive piece of mastering though.
> Pretty sure that first MGMT album clips all over the place. I haven't heard their first album but I'm surprised at this. In my experience, most indie acts have greater creative control over mastering and just about every indie act I listen to (with the exception of some of the heavier stuff) is very light on the "loudness". By contrast, some of the more "pop" stuff I like, even songs that should be clean and distor…
It was produced by Dave Fridmann, who is pretty notorious for mastering albums way too loud.
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Actually, it's already illegal in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Advertisement_Loudne...
In theory, yes, in practice, that just means the commercials are compressed to the single loudest part of the TV show they accompany. Net effect: Nil. The commercial still sounds louder than everything else.
Not for much longer, one of the highlights of the past couple of years of NAB has been new algorithms and hardware to combat exactly this issue.
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#96Perhaps it is just that they are music videos and not CD releases? They must be mastered differently anyway as they often have extra sounds or a different length, right?
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#97Now if only they would add an option to do this to more than just music videos. There's still millions upon millions of videos on Youtube with audio volumes all over the place. It seems like iMovie produced content is especially loud but that's probably anecdotal.
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#98>[on YT] Everything plays at a similar loudness, regardless of how it was mastered. And no-one has noticed. None of us noticed; it seems like the labels and sound engineers may have; take this image comparing the dynamic range of the CD and youtube releases of Pharrell's "Happy"[1]- I thought at the time it might just have been a mishap or random occurance, but now it looks like it was a very deliberate move. So, rat…
I noticed! I am a bass player who now happens to write software in the audio industry (I work for a company that makes hardware). But I noticed before coming here. Some of the worst CDs in my record collection are: 1. Paul McCartney - Memory Almost Full (this is the worst album I own - considering Sir Paul left The Beatles over the mix of The Long and Winding Road, he should leave his own band over his master of this…
Have you listened to the remixed Vapor Trails? It's phenomenal IMHO. There are tons of little quirks in the songs that you just couldn't hear before. Plus they might have added a few tracks to each song.
I'd love to hear what somebody who actually knows what they're talking about compare the original with the remix. I'm a huge Rush fan and could discuss them for hours.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I noticed! I am a bass player who now happens to write software in the audio industry (I work for a company that makes hardware). But I noticed before coming here. Some of the worst CDs in my record collection are: 1. Paul McCartney - Memory Almost Full (this is the worst album I own - considering Sir Paul left The Beatles over the mix of The Long and Winding Road, he should leave his own band over his master of this…
Fellow bass player here too, though I'm still learning! Just out of curiosity, did you ever listen to the Vapor Trails remaster that came out last year or so? What were your thoughts on that?
I've been a huge Rush fan since I was a little kid (thanks to my parents for that). I loved Vapor Trails when it came out even with the poor sound mixing. The remixed version is even better in my opinion. To me, it's just a fuller sound that's much more enjoyable.
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Humans like loud music, so louder music sounds better and sell more. So, how do you make your music MAXIMUM LOUD? Well, our digital formats have a setting for how loud any given sound is, but you can't just set it to the maximum value because then all sounds in your track will be equally loud. Or can you? Not all parts of a cymbal "phish" is equally loud, so setting it all to max will distort the sound (sacrifice dyn…
Applying Replaygain or EBU R128 loudness equalization will not change the perception of dynamic range and, all other things being equal will actually slightly decrease the DR rating. And TFA is not talking about Replaygain-like algorithms from the description.
Yes, that's true. But in the long run, with YouTube being such an important player, the results should be positive.
The record company's mixers have been escalating a loudness war for years, in an effort to make the most impression on listeners. And the result of that is poor sound quality.
Now YouTube comes along and says "we're resetting you all back to a standard overall volume". Suddenly all that escalating loudness hasn't accomplished anything (or very little; probably there are ways to game the system a little), at least when listened to through YouTube, which as we said is hugely important.
If they're no longer able to compete in loudness, and the vain attempt to do so damages the quality of the recording, then in the long run the mixers ought to quit doing that. It's not going to save Death Magnetic, it's too late for that, but maybe we can reclaim fidelity in future recordings.