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Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

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Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#41
post #9

A privatized intracity bus service? Somewhat interesting. But how can this compete with heavily subsidized, existing public bus service - without hitting all the same pitfalls that it does? (Like buses getting steadily less "express" as time goes on)?

Because the heavily subsidized public bus service in San Francisco, Muni, operates abysmally. Buses are usually filthy, massively overcrowded during rush hour, often very late, and make frequent stops. In many cases, taking the bus is only slightly faster than walking. Compounding the problem is the lack of buses on many popular commute routes, such as the Lombard-downtown route that Leap follows. They will either av…

This is very true, but it does bring up a point about scaling. Bus services aren't as terrible in other cities, though there are always some deficiencies.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#42
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It competes by doing things like not complying with existing regulation, laws, or unions. It's an "app" and thus except from all regulation. So they don't pay a driver $70,000/yr and give him or her a pension. They can pick stops based on profitability, not access. They carry the bare minimum of liability insurance because if anything happens they can just close up shop. They don't have to comply with the Americans w…

Ok, I'll bite, why on earth does a bus driver deserve $70,000 a year and a pension? There are billions of people in the world who would kill to do that job for $35,000 and no benefits.

Exactly who I want driving me around in a giant metal box: a stressed-out, poverty-level person with no benefits.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#43
post #17

Anyone know Leap's arragement with their drivers? Their TOS makes it seem like the Uber for buses. From Terms of service - "LEAP DOES NOT PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, AND LEAP IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION CARRIER. IT IS UP TO THE DRIVER OR VEHICLE OPERATOR TO OFFER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES WHICH MAY BE ARRANGED THROUGH USE OF THE SERVICES"

Got to love it when the ALL CAPS directly contradicts all published marketing and intuition. >see why Leap is the daily commute you’ll love >Here’s how you ride >Our first route travels between Lombard Street and Downtown. >You’ll love our buses >Our buses are fueled by renewable natural gas and take cars off the road. >We stripped our buses down >Every bus has a Leap team member on board >Our beautifully designed ap…

I don't know if you should go that far. It's probably just a practical matter of operating a carrier. It might not be advantageous to combine logistics and operators, just like it's not really practical to build the motor vehicles themselves, even for large operations like city public transit.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#44
post #22

I don't understand why I would take this for $5 a ride over LyftLine or UberPool ($5/$7 without Surge) which offers presumably much quicker service and no walking to/from stops. That being said, I would be pumped to see something like this between SF and Palo Alto

You're on a comfortable bus, in a comfortable chair with a table, with giant windows, and not being jostled around in the back of a minivan.

Don't forget all the attractive women and hipster-compatible snacks featured in the video! I'd be interesting in learning about Leap's program to keep flirtatious models aboard every operating bus, as the video seems to make that a primary selling point.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#45
post #17

Anyone know Leap's arragement with their drivers? Their TOS makes it seem like the Uber for buses. From Terms of service - "LEAP DOES NOT PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, AND LEAP IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION CARRIER. IT IS UP TO THE DRIVER OR VEHICLE OPERATOR TO OFFER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES WHICH MAY BE ARRANGED THROUGH USE OF THE SERVICES"

> From Terms of service - "LEAP DOES NOT PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, AND LEAP IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION CARRIER. IT IS UP TO THE DRIVER OR VEHICLE OPERATOR TO OFFER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES WHICH MAY BE ARRANGED THROUGH USE OF THE SERVICES"

Shameful. I hope these guys - meaning everyone tempted to try to get rich by ignoring the law, including but not limited to Leap - go to jail. Some decent jail sentences would be educational for the rest.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#46
post #22

I don't understand why I would take this for $5 a ride over LyftLine or UberPool ($5/$7 without Surge) which offers presumably much quicker service and no walking to/from stops. That being said, I would be pumped to see something like this between SF and Palo Alto

You're on a comfortable bus, in a comfortable chair with a table, with giant windows, and not being jostled around in the back of a minivan.

Also, it seems you would be contributing less pollution to the city and burning less hydrocarbons, as a full bus running on natural gas is more efficient than a standard auto's ICE on gasoline which is transporting one person.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#47
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got to love it when the ALL CAPS directly contradicts all published marketing and intuition. >see why Leap is the daily commute you’ll love >Here’s how you ride >Our first route travels between Lombard Street and Downtown. >You’ll love our buses >Our buses are fueled by renewable natural gas and take cars off the road. >We stripped our buses down >Every bus has a Leap team member on board >Our beautifully designed ap…

I don't know if you should go that far. It's probably just a practical matter of operating a carrier. It might not be advantageous to combine logistics and operators, just like it's not really practical to build the motor vehicles themselves, even for large operations like city public transit.

Fine, but who knows if that's true.

State that up front then, don't bury it in ALL CAPS in your lengthy disclaimer on a separate page while having all your marketing material present a much different view of what you are actually offering.

Most likely this is an attempt to maximize the "app's" profits while pushing as much liability as possible off on to other people (ie. the driver and your "users") and to flout industry standards and regulations.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#48
post #17

Anyone know Leap's arragement with their drivers? Their TOS makes it seem like the Uber for buses. From Terms of service - "LEAP DOES NOT PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, AND LEAP IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION CARRIER. IT IS UP TO THE DRIVER OR VEHICLE OPERATOR TO OFFER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES WHICH MAY BE ARRANGED THROUGH USE OF THE SERVICES"

What's confusing to me is the relationship they have with the, uh, hardware, when compared to Uber. They clearly have their own buses, but they aren't a transportation service, yet they somehow pay people to drive their buses to provide transportation. Seems like there is an even bigger dependence on various loopholes to operate this when compared with 1-1 ride sharing.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#49
post #17

Anyone know Leap's arragement with their drivers? Their TOS makes it seem like the Uber for buses. From Terms of service - "LEAP DOES NOT PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, AND LEAP IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION CARRIER. IT IS UP TO THE DRIVER OR VEHICLE OPERATOR TO OFFER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES WHICH MAY BE ARRANGED THROUGH USE OF THE SERVICES"

You missed the best part:

>[Leap Transit, Inc] OFFERS INFORMATION AND A METHOD TO OBTAIN THIRD PARTY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, ^^BUT DOES NOT AND DOES NOT INTEND TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES^^ OR ACT IN ANY WAY AS A TRANSPORTATION CARRIER, AND HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY FOR ANY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES PROVIDED TO YOU BY SUCH THIRD PARTIES.

Re: Leap: Your daily commute redesigned

#50
From the video the first thing I noticed was the lack of basic safety items, usually in regular buses there are tons of places that you can hold onto, and if it's a longer trip there is even belts, so I wonder how is the licensing of this automobiles.
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