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Why do you think that? There are plenty of articles that agree the gift was given on Valentine's Day?
I think he is saying the dinner wasn't on Valentine's Day.
The problem is the choice of gift on Valentines and the fact the author of the article basically equated buying erotic poetry with being "nice and mentoring".
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well she did have an affair with a married coworker, so how are other men supposed to judge her? You make that kind of serious mistake in a professional environment and people are right to judge your competence. They did try/fire the guy involved over her objection. As for handing out valentine gifts, hell my entire work place would be in trouble for gifts, cards, and the like. We celebrate a lot different events, th…
Having an affair with one married coworker doesn't give other coworkers license to hit on you. The argument you're using is basically, "She slept with someone else, so why should other people not expect to be able to get to have privileged relationships with her too?" And even if you ignore that, you obviously shouldn't be hitting on people at work.
Coworkers don't need a license, because it's not illegal to make a pass at a coworker.
> you obviously shouldn't be hitting on people at work.
"Hitting on" is a crude way to describe buying a gift. Is love now banned at work?
I don't think this trial has much to do with larger women in tech issues. There's a lot of politics at play for ALL employees of VC firms and this doesn't sound any different. If you've been following all of the coverage of this case, Pao isn't coming off well. She states that it was discriminatory that she didn't get her review on time. Unprofessional to have a delayed review? Yes. Gender harassment? No. Instead of…
In the worst case for her, Ellen Pao turns out to be like Michael Brown: not sympathetic, not a victim, but the case still illustrates a lot of systemic bias and moral failure.
(Not to say that is how it is playing out or will play out.)
I think she probably did have her reputation (internal to the firm) damaged for reasons that constitute gender harassment. I also think that she was passed over and fired not because she was a woman, but because her reputation was damaged and she probably couldn't get much done. The question is how responsible the firm itself is for spotting problems like that and allowing people to clear their own names.
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well she did have an affair with a married coworker, so how are other men supposed to judge her? You make that kind of serious mistake in a professional environment and people are right to judge your competence. They did try/fire the guy involved over her objection. As for handing out valentine gifts, hell my entire work place would be in trouble for gifts, cards, and the like. We celebrate a lot different events, th…
Having an affair with one married coworker doesn't give other coworkers license to hit on you. The argument you're using is basically, "She slept with someone else, so why should other people not expect to be able to get to have privileged relationships with her too?" And even if you ignore that, you obviously shouldn't be hitting on people at work.
Actually, the argument is "She slept with someone else, so why shouldn't I be allowed to see if she's interested in sleeping with me?"
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What is the case about then? To me at least the summary seemed aligned well with the media coverage I've been following. But I'll admit I haven't had the time to read the source documents.
The case is about a woman who slept with a married superior of her and got preferential treatment thanks to this. Then, when they stopped, she decided to sue. Every single one of her coworkers should be the one suing both of them for promotions lost due to her getting them by sleeping around.
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Most of my company are women. I'm a male. Tell me how I'm supposed to talk to them, oh super sensitive sage of all gender interactions in all contexts forever. How machine-like and sterile should I be? How many of their emotions should I deny in the pursuit of professionalism? Should I consult with a lawyer with every photon they reflect? It's obvious you've never lead a single human being in your life. You just give…
I'd say it is pretty easy to avoid buying them gifts on Valentine's day and inviting them to private dinners with your SO out of town. If you can't help but spontaneously give gifts to attractive women on Valentine's day...I'm at a loss, I'll admit.
My SO also goes out drinking with other men. Without me. In private.
Why bring any of this up? Because I do not condemn expressions of affection just because the collective makes some childish assumption that grown adults must feel one emotion at a time per person.
Plot twist: You can feel affection for someone and not desire sexual activity from them in the same exact way you can feel bloodthirsty rage for someone and not desire to kill them. Yes, I know, it's a mind-blowing concept... the idea of people having complex and nuanced relationships instead of easily codified stateful interactions. (Once again, programmer bias trying to dictate how life should be)
Because we must all strive to make life easier for faceless administrators to conduct their soulless policies. /s
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well she did have an affair with a married coworker, so how are other men supposed to judge her? You make that kind of serious mistake in a professional environment and people are right to judge your competence. They did try/fire the guy involved over her objection. As for handing out valentine gifts, hell my entire work place would be in trouble for gifts, cards, and the like. We celebrate a lot different events, th…
Having an affair with one married coworker doesn't give other coworkers license to hit on you. The argument you're using is basically, "She slept with someone else, so why should other people not expect to be able to get to have privileged relationships with her too?" And even if you ignore that, you obviously shouldn't be hitting on people at work.
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Care to provide some links to what you think the case IS about? I'm addressing points raised in the submitted article and the article I provided a link to. How am I being misleading?
Cherry-picking.
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I'd say it is pretty easy to avoid buying them gifts on Valentine's day and inviting them to private dinners with your SO out of town. If you can't help but spontaneously give gifts to attractive women on Valentine's day...I'm at a loss, I'll admit.
Just because the collective assumes Valentine's Day to be of importance has no bearing on my interactions. In fact, my SO and I do NOT celebrate Valentine's day. At all. My SO also goes out drinking with other men. Without me. In private. Why bring any of this up? Because I do not condemn expressions of affection just because the collective makes some childish assumption that grown adults must feel one emotion at a t…