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Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over my 14 years of work experience, I have occasionally encountered work environments that have turned extremely hostile for my last two weeks, simply because I decided to leave (I was once told by my manager at a DOE energy lab when I was in my mid 20s that he should "slap the shit out of me" for leaving, but that is a tale for another post). "Reasonable" is up to you. As I said, notice is not (EDIT: as asked by ot…

Interesting. Were these environments where you would have expected that bad of a reaction? (Here in Germany these things are a bit different anyways, default period is a month and can be longer by individual contract. Sometimes it is matched to the notice times the employer has to give, which go up to 7 months(!) for people that have been employed for a long time)

Very interesting! I wasn't aware of that in Germany. Thank you for informing me!

Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To back this up with an anecdote: I had one experience where I submitted a resignation (two weeks' notice) the same day as someone else in the company. I said the bare minimum in my letter. When questioned by the CEO, division lead, and co-workers, I also said the bare minimum and kept it very neutral. The other person, on the other hand, decided this was their opportunity to express their anger and frustration. As a…

I've found the best way to do this is: * Have a proper emergency fund (6-12 weeks). You should not be counting on any pay after you give notice. * Have references outside of your immediate current manager * On Friday, "today is my last day" * Still be honest why you're leaving Two weeks notice is a courtesy you're not required to extend to an employer (EDIT: This is US-centric advice, please verify this is true in yo…

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Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

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I tried to give notice at AOL once. HR rejected the letter due to some expletives, and asked for a revised version. I then submitted a 1-sentence notice. Lesson learned; don't swear in notices, but also keep it simple. Even if you tried to offer them your honest view of how things were, chances are they'd get filed in a drawer and stuck away. It took a number of people handing notices day-by-day at AOL before HR clic…

What does it even mean for them to reject a notice? Were they going to insist on paying you even after you stopped showing up, otherwise?

They did him a favor, and helped him not look like an ass in his file. He'll exist as data for the life of the company, it may as well be neutral data.

Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

#54
I'd make my resignation letter quite minimal. It will likely go in a file that will outlast the context of your time at the company and reason for leaving. Thus whatever you say there will have an increasing chance of coming back to bite you later. Your exit interview may or may not become part of your permanent record but you can convey better context in the interview. I'd still be careful to think about how your statements would be viewed in 1 to 5 years after they are given. I think it's better to err on the side of discretion.

Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

#55
As others have stated: Have a new job lined up before submitting this letter. Make the letter neutral, and keep the frustrations to yourself.

You may be able to use your current employment as leverage as you locate this new job. I was personally in a very similar situation, the end result was that the new company wanted to hire me ASAP and offered a decent pay raise over my current job; I put in my two weeks notice and revealed nothing. In the end, I was offered a raise at my old job (turned down); months later they wanted to contract me for some work on the weekend, and they've made it clear there's an open door if I ever want to return. Requesting two weeks before you can begin work (for time to put in your two weeks notice) to your new employer also demonstrates your loyalty and stability, something a good employer will recognize & respect.

edit: My resignation also marked the first of my team's mass exodus. 6 months later, everyone I worked with has left, and they've got a completely new team. A word of warning (at least in the US), you don't want to be caught trying to get your coworkers to leave, and especially not to get them to follow you to a new employer.

Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

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I am resigning my position with $EMPLOYER. My last day will be date(today + 14) % weekend.

Don't give your company anything more than this, they don't deserve any more and anything else you volunteer can ONLY hurt you (Anything you say can and will be held against you....) also you risk burning bridges. While you may never want to work for the company ever again you might want them as a reference down the line. I tried telling the truth in my first exit interview and all it did was burn bridges and make pe…

>Don't give your company anything more than this, they don't deserve any more and anything else you volunteer can ONLY hurt you

I'd have to disagree. Don't say anything negative. Don't talk about why you are leaving. But you can say some positive things. How you had a great time working with $team. How you hope that $project will be a success. How you will miss $company_gathering.

Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

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I once resigned from a job because of bad management and a toxic environment (high employee turnover, employees were strong-armed into agreeing to unrealistic deadlines then held accountable, every failure always meant someone would have to take the blame and be scolded for it, etc). Because of false loyalty and a nurtured feeling of guilt, I waited too long and only resigned when it had already begun affecting my health (physically and mentally).

I made the mistake of trying to be honest. I explained why I felt that the work environment needed to be improved. I tried not to come across as accusatory and didn't blame anyone, just stating that the environment negatively affected my health and that it was likely the reason for other systemic problems (e.g. the high turnover) the company was facing and should be addressed.

Big mistake.

To keep a long story short, I ended up suing the company because they withheld payments arguing I owed them work (and in fact threatened to sue me over that). I would have likely won, but agreed to a settlement (that mostly consisted of them giving me money and me signing a statement that I had already turned in all property of theirs before quitting -- which wasn't really contested to begin with).

All in all, it wasn't worth it. I lost a budding friendship with a colleague who stayed with the company (and likely had to bear the fallout from my resignation) and the first couple of weeks after the resignation (before I decided to sue and was able to hand it all over to a lawyer) were a complete nightmare, even though I didn't spend a single day of it at the company.

Now there is a company out there where employees think badly of me because they were either hired during the fallout or were told stories about it if they joined after the fact. There's an employer who hates my guts and may have told others to avoid me. And there's a company I'll have to avoid working with (directly or not) in the future.

I'm sure there was no possibility of a "good" ending at the point I quit to begin with because my biggest mistake was holding out until I was too broken to leave gracefully. But I'm also pretty sure a simple "I'm leaving for greener pastures" type resignation could have at least avoided fuelling the fire.

Don't ever go into the details about why you're leaving. If anyone depends on you, make sure to find a graceful transition for them (if only by informing them well in advance), but don't ever say anything that implies they should have done things differently.

Despite what people say, most of them don't want your honest opinion. They just want to hear they've done nothing wrong. You're already causing a disruption for them by leaving, don't allow them to spin it into an attack. You're far more likely to make them think if you don't give them an opportunity to think of you as an aggressor (and if they will do so anyway, you have lost nothing).

On the flip side, the right time to bring up problems is while you are still intent on working there. If delivering outstanding work is not acknowledged, address it before you have decided to leave. As an employee, your opinion holds weight (because ignoring it may result in your resignation). If you've already resigned, you've already played your hand.

(If you do, however, maintain a friendship with your former employer, you may be able to talk to him about the reasons why you left, but not as an ex-employee at work, but as a friend -- preferably in a different environment altogether.)

Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

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I tried to give notice at AOL once. HR rejected the letter due to some expletives, and asked for a revised version. I then submitted a 1-sentence notice. Lesson learned; don't swear in notices, but also keep it simple. Even if you tried to offer them your honest view of how things were, chances are they'd get filed in a drawer and stuck away. It took a number of people handing notices day-by-day at AOL before HR clic…

What does it even mean for them to reject a notice? Were they going to insist on paying you even after you stopped showing up, otherwise?

I wouldn't assume they had actually considered that.

Re: Ask HN: How much to put in a resignation letter?

#59
> I'm resigning from my job today because...

Is the lack of increased compensation/bonus/promotion truly the deciding factor to resign? or were there other issues?

Especially in early-stage companies with ambitious growth plans it's easy to promise these things. But it can be very hard to actually deliver on cash-flow, in spite of achieving managements projected targets. You may for example, negotiate a differed comp/bonus plan if you decide to stay.

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