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Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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For disaster recovery 3 days might mean the end of your business.

For disaster recovery $1000 is peanuts, that's a company thing, GP mentioned 'people', not companies, different use-case.

I wrote a backup program that uses Glacier, and the retrieval policies are nearly impossible to manage and explain. But the thing I really don't get is that you can use Amazon Import to read a hard drive into Glacier, but you can't use Amazon Export to get a drive full of data back out. You can with S3.

In a disaster situation, a company is going to want hard drives sent to them next day. As others have mentioned, this isn't a money thing, it's a time issue. But it isn't available with Glacier (probably not with Google either...)

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Our story with Amazon Glacier (50TB):, we are a company with 50TB of data on multiple Servers and NAS, and some External drives, most of the data we needed to save/Archive for 10 years at least, it’s starting to become very hard to manage locally, so we saw glacier a great solution for us! Well, not exactly

We tried to manually using it, like APIs, Scripts, etc… it’s impossible, it was very had

So we tried cloudberry to help us upload, it will upload but also It won’t work for huge data, with glacier you won’t be able to search, list, find any file you want to download easily, also its not practical to manage all the backup and millions of files manually, also we got millions of photos we needed a way to find them easily like thumbs So Glacier had so many restrictions like 3-5 hours restore time, 5% restore quota hard to use even with utilizes like cloudberry, cant list, search, it’s not useable as its! But the price was attractive

We considered Seagate Evault , but it was expensive and so many hidden fees and complicated for our case Then we tired another solution called Zoolz ( http://www.zoolz.com ), Zoolz does not use your own AWS Account, but utilize their own account and from what I heard from them they got 5 Petabyte, so they got massive restore quota, around 5% of the 5 Petabyte, also its simple to use, they offer Zero restore cost, it’s like Mozy or Crashplan but for business and on glacier , like they internally create thumbs for your photos and store it on S3, so you have instant preview, also you will be able to search and browse your data easily and instantly, they got Servers and Polices, and got a reasonable price, all we wanted , we got the 50TB for $12,000 / year, its more expensive than using Glacier by itself, using Glacier will cost around $6000, but its not practical for a company to use it as a standalone storage

The only disadvantage is that when/if we needed a file we have to wait 4 hours to get it, which is fair, it was faster than when we used to use Tapes :), awe tried to restore 1 TB with 1.2 million files, it took us around 10 hours to complete, which was okay

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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It's also extremely expensive. I can put some effort for 5 USD per month for storage, but 40 USD upfront is prohibitive for me.

The cost of one dinner out is prohibitive? Just testing a backup solution alone would cost more than that, much less rolling your own, unless your time is worth considerably less than $40/hour.

I spend ~1.5USD per meal (for two people). We don't all live in first world economies with high-paying jobs.

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slightly off topic here, but when i tried to setup an account, which should get me $300 free, it auto selects my country (Ireland) and then tells me: Tax status Business This service can only be used for business or commercial reasons. You are responsible for assessing and reporting VAT. and then makes me enter a VAT number... well, I will stick with AWS and Azure, since neither of those "REQUIRE" a vat number or bus…

Where did you read about $300 for free?

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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You can store 1 Pb and get 4000 MB/s

And at 3MB/s per TB it will always take over 3 days to retrieve all of your data. The 2-5 second retrieval latency is irrelevant when you're going to be waiting for 3 days...

s/over 3 days/no more than 3 days/

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This is a nail in the coffin of the SaaS backup industry (Backblaze, RescuePlan, etc.). With storage becoming essentially free the last excuse for not using self-hosted, secure backup tools like Arq[1] disappears. [1] http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/

I'm adding support for creating nearline buckets in Arq right now.

Update (5 days later): It's added! If you're an Arq 4 user, pick "Check for Updates" from Arq's menu to get it. Go to Preferences, Destinations tab, and click the + button. Pick "Google Cloud Storage" for the destination type.

It's really great. I'm using it instead of Glacier for all my personal backups.

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