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How not to advertise for a job in London

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Re: How not to advertise for a job in London

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Post by bengali3 »

vonmoltke wrote: post #30
elcct wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you have control over when you are responding to said distraction, so it won't necessarily get you out of the zone.

Depends on how you are wired. I can't not react to external stimuli, and being in an environment with a lot of stimuli I can't control raises my stress level pretty quickly.

i allow myself to be impacted by this too much, but I would still say we do have control, as we choose to allow ourselves to be exposed to the stimuli, right? the provided examples above a-d can all be controlled by not having your phone in front of you, and closing non-coding applications.

desk drive-bys and kitchen cake on the other hand, are much less likely for me to resist

Re: How not to advertise for a job in London

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Post by erroneousfunk »

collyw wrote: post #39
mgkimsal wrote: post #20

Whether it's illegal or not, I sort of wish more employers would just advertise like this anyway - just tell me you're really only interested in a 23 year old, so I can avoid wasting both our time. Theoretically, the market will reward them with ... whatever comes of having a bunch of 23 year olds running mission-critical aspects of your business. Might be massive success, might be failure, but let them get on with i…

Yes the amount of people that want to interview me is high in Barcelona. The amount of people that want to pay for my level of experience is low (and the wages aren't especially high here). Save us both the time and tell me in advance what you are willing to pay.

Setting experience requirements (high and low) is legal. Flat out stating an age isn't, in both the US and the UK.

Re: How not to advertise for a job in London

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Post by glittershark »

s73v3r wrote: post #60
Xophmeister wrote: post #6

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"Dude" doesn't necessarily imply male, but it is strongly slanted that way. I'm not sure if it would hold up as discrimination.

While it might not hold up as being against the law, it likely would deter many females from applying.

Referring to women as "females" probably won't help, either

Re: How not to advertise for a job in London

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Post by sciguy77 »

VLM wrote: post #31
sebular wrote: post #7

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You're not wrong at all. Furthermore: > 2. Under 30 years old Is obviously age discrimination as well. Unlike some people, I'm under no illusions that tech is non-discriminatory, but it's still surprising and disappointing to see it stated so plainly on a job description. These people are idiots for leaving this document online now that they've been caught. I don't know the specifics of UK labour laws, but in the US…

Is a demand for an academic reference letter obvious age discrimination also? I'm old enough that I'm pretty sure some of my profs are dead by now. I suppose a seance could be arranged. Trying to obtain "testimonials of previous customers" would almost certainly get me fired and sounds like a major breach of professional etiquette but then again this is a different culture, maybe that kind of thing is normal over the…

> On the bright side they didn't ask for sexual orientation, marital status, religious beliefs, or demand an interpretive dance portraying the quick sort algorithm, although who knows what goes on at the interview.

Hah, well-put. Anyone know what the apology and the tweet before it was? Both links are dead now.

Re: How not to advertise for a job in London

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

erroneousfunk wrote: post #62
collyw wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes the amount of people that want to interview me is high in Barcelona. The amount of people that want to pay for my level of experience is low (and the wages aren't especially high here). Save us both the time and tell me in advance what you are willing to pay.

Setting experience requirements (high and low) is legal. Flat out stating an age isn't, in both the US and the UK.

Setting a maximum experience requirement isn't legal in the US because it has a disparate impact on older applicants.

Re: How not to advertise for a job in London

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Post by snoopy121 »

Yo I actually know the dude from school...feel like I owe him a bit of a defense after his minute of twitter infamy :) I'd understand the anger if this were, like, a Goldman Sachs-calibre company practicing age-based discrimination, but in this case there's no they, there's literally just a guy plus some coder friends of his, getting a bit excited about startup plans.

The dude's 23 (plus or minus) himself, and decidedly not versed in HR laws - I could imagine the words "discrimination" (...or "political correctness"...or maybe "self-awareness") didn't even enter his mind while he typed away at his dream candidate wish list. Sure it's hilarious, but maybe cut him some slack re: sinister intentions. I don't think it's too pleasant waking up and getting a hundred angry retweets for something like this.

Re: How not to advertise for a job in London

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Post by deeviant »

rada wrote: post #50

If you were as confused by the "Magic Pitch" requirement as I was, here is an explanation from the startup itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XqYXP1Azsk&t=1m18s Essentially, they want candidates to pitch to employers using a short video. The idea of candidate videos has been floated about since before YouTube. I remember discussing it with a large job board owner over 10 years ago, and several times since, and…

Is that really the reason why?

I'm pretty sure you would get somebody's age, race and gender just by reading their resume/CV, which most job boards allow potential hiring companies to peruse.

Re: How not to advertise for a job in London

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Post by deeviant »

mgkimsal wrote: post #20

Whether it's illegal or not, I sort of wish more employers would just advertise like this anyway - just tell me you're really only interested in a 23 year old, so I can avoid wasting both our time. Theoretically, the market will reward them with ... whatever comes of having a bunch of 23 year olds running mission-critical aspects of your business. Might be massive success, might be failure, but let them get on with i…

This just in, I found one of the employees they hired using this incredible job posting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Kboormk3Y

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