Wikimedia v. NSA: Wikimedia Foundation files suit against NSA

Post by newman8r » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 9:53 PM UTC

davidgerard wrote: post #7

newman8r wrote: post #2

wish I had more time to search for it right now, but is there a link where people can donate specifically for this cause? (if not a general donation will have to suffice) please post if so

Not that I know of. But I do know that charities find tied donations a goddamn PITA - if you trust someone to do good work, just giving them the money for the general pool is the right thing in almost all cases. But they do love to know what inspired a particular donation. So I would suggest dropping a few bucks to the ACLU and WMF's general contribution addresses, but including a note that this is why :-)

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 10:18 PM UTC

bhayden wrote: post #66

diafygi wrote: post #55

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> I just wanted to say that people who support the NSA aren't hiding in fear. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be backed by evidence. Every single lawsuit challenging mass surveillance has been resisted by the Executive on the basis of state secrets and lack of standing. The Executive is using a judicial tactic to avoid having to answer the question of whether these programs are constitutional. When that questio…

I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. It doesn't really matter if it's legal or constitutional, because if it's not then they'll change the laws or reinterpret them in a new way or write a new Patriot Act. What we should focus on is whether a government should be allowed to operate in secrecy, without any public oversight or knowledge, and whether the government can be morally justified in surveilling citizens…

Post by nickik » Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 6:00 PM UTC

dTal wrote: post #134

nickik wrote: post #63

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Then what you want is a republic or some system of anarchy, not a democracy.

>some system of anarchy I don't think you quite understand the point of anarchy.

Post by nullc » Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 4:38 PM UTC

copsarebastards wrote: post #85

davidgerard wrote: post #5

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SSL in the casual case relies on all CAs being uncompromised. I understand this is not the case. In any case, both technical and legal approaches are appropriate. And you know as well as I do that everyone at WMF desperately wants SSL for everything, and that this is a thing they are specifically working toward (but it turns out to be a bit more complicated than just switching everyone to SSL) - there is no way in wh…

CAs aren't the only possible point of failure. Simply by obtaining private keys for Google/Facebook/YouTube/Yahoo/Baidu, the NSA can passively decrypt a HUGE percentage of the world's traffic. Any server encrypting for Google will need to have these keys so it's quite difficult to keep all these servers secure, and given the keys' values, the NSA would have no trouble budgeting infiltrating companies to get them.