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Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted (2013) [video]

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Re: Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted (2013) [video]

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Post by chongli »

encoderer wrote: post #7

He bashes the "myth of the 10x" engineer. Clearly the idea of the 10xer has too big a place in the mythology of our industry. It's oddly masochistic and as far as I know it's unique to us. There are no doctors blogging about "10x doctors" for example. Anybody who has watched N0tch code on Twitch knows that there are certainly people who are far more productive coders than the average engineer. I have no idea if he's…

N0tch's Twitch streams are rather misleading. It seems like he has incredible speed and productivity but that's mainly because he's repeating a well-rehearsed implementation.

Re: Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted (2013) [video]

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Post by bcook »

okasaki wrote: post #12

page 10 of the slides says: > kill yourself now That's totally inappropriate no matter how funny you think you are.

Coming from a link titled "Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted" I expected some humor that may not be Politically Correct.

Strangely, your response bothers me more than the quote. Could you not find anything positive to say?

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Post by trhway »

encoderer wrote: post #7

He bashes the "myth of the 10x" engineer. Clearly the idea of the 10xer has too big a place in the mythology of our industry. It's oddly masochistic and as far as I know it's unique to us. There are no doctors blogging about "10x doctors" for example. Anybody who has watched N0tch code on Twitch knows that there are certainly people who are far more productive coders than the average engineer. I have no idea if he's…

> It's oddly masochistic and as far as I know it's unique to us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakhanovite_movement#History

"The Stakhanovite movement was named after Aleksei Stakhanov, who had mined 102 tons of coal in less than 6 hours (14 times his quota).[1] However, his record would soon be "broken" by his followers.[1] On February 1, 1936, it was reported that Nikita Izotov had mined 607 tons of coal in a single shift.

The Stakhanovite movement, supported and led by the Communist Party, soon spread over other industries of the Soviet Union.[2] "

Basically all this 10x is just a way to make people produce 10x while paying still for 1x. Programmers as a blue colar job also subject to it. White collar jobs like doctors or real engineers are much more resistant to it (as psychologically they are individuals not a member of a crowd what is typical for blue collar jobs)

Re: Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted (2013) [video]

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Post by Arwill »

comrade1 wrote: post #15
encoderer wrote: post #7

He bashes the "myth of the 10x" engineer. Clearly the idea of the 10xer has too big a place in the mythology of our industry. It's oddly masochistic and as far as I know it's unique to us. There are no doctors blogging about "10x doctors" for example. Anybody who has watched N0tch code on Twitch knows that there are certainly people who are far more productive coders than the average engineer. I have no idea if he's…

It's not a matter of coding 10X times faster than another coder. It's a matter of coding to not put yourself into common traps/pitfalls that waste your time trying to get out of. And also to make the correct decisions/strategies early in the project to put it on a track that uses the correct tools, libraries, etc. that won't waste your time later. A junior developer is almost always a net negative on a team of develo…

What i commonly notice is if a developer starts solving the problem at its core, and then builds the interfaces around it, or he starts writing "utility" code, like writing code in hope that the problem will solve itself if enough helper code (or framework code) has been written for it. When i see a developer doing the latter, i know he will not be too productive, because he has no clear vision of the solution.

Re: Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted (2013) [video]

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Post by tormeh »

encoderer wrote: post #7

He bashes the "myth of the 10x" engineer. Clearly the idea of the 10xer has too big a place in the mythology of our industry. It's oddly masochistic and as far as I know it's unique to us. There are no doctors blogging about "10x doctors" for example. Anybody who has watched N0tch code on Twitch knows that there are certainly people who are far more productive coders than the average engineer. I have no idea if he's…

>There are no [profession] blogging about "10x [profession]" for example.

... He said and about the profession with surely the highest concentration of arrogant and self-satisfied know-it-alls.

Re: Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted (2013) [video]

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Post by Fiahil »

crag wrote: post #19
encoderer wrote: post #7

He bashes the "myth of the 10x" engineer. Clearly the idea of the 10xer has too big a place in the mythology of our industry. It's oddly masochistic and as far as I know it's unique to us. There are no doctors blogging about "10x doctors" for example. Anybody who has watched N0tch code on Twitch knows that there are certainly people who are far more productive coders than the average engineer. I have no idea if he's…

I love to write code. And it's about 20% of my job. As an engineer, I spend most of my time in design (and meetings). The code is the fun, relaxing part. Many times, I don't even write code; I "review" code. We have "grunts" (younger programmers, usually) who pump out code all day. They're are involved in design too, of course. But in a very limited way. But you know, I think all of this comes with age. If you 22 yea…

> If you 22 years old, fresh out of school, you are going to be writing code all day. And that's how it should be, You need to cut-your-teeth.

I'm 22 years old, fresh out of school and I'm as involved in design, recruiting and peer reviews as my older peers. And that's how it should be. Why? Because age has nothing to do with productivity, understanding or ability to come up with simple, elegant and maintainable designs.

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

bcook wrote: post #22
okasaki wrote: post #12

page 10 of the slides says: > kill yourself now That's totally inappropriate no matter how funny you think you are.

Coming from a link titled "Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted" I expected some humor that may not be Politically Correct. Strangely, your response bothers me more than the quote. Could you not find anything positive to say?

Couldn't you?

Re: Programming is terrible – Lessons learned from a life wasted (2013) [video]

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Post by testingonprod »

okasaki wrote: post #12

page 10 of the slides says: > kill yourself now That's totally inappropriate no matter how funny you think you are.

I'm sorry not everyone subscribes to your own personal views. Some people think it's funny, others don't. That's just life.

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Post by _yosefk »

nerfhammer wrote: post #16
encoderer wrote: post #7

He bashes the "myth of the 10x" engineer. Clearly the idea of the 10xer has too big a place in the mythology of our industry. It's oddly masochistic and as far as I know it's unique to us. There are no doctors blogging about "10x doctors" for example. Anybody who has watched N0tch code on Twitch knows that there are certainly people who are far more productive coders than the average engineer. I have no idea if he's…

It's greed really - everyone wants to hire 10x engineers, but it's not like you're going to pay them 10x of course.

Well, if you pay 10x for 10x more productivity you don't gain much, do you?.. Can't blame 'em for not bothering to look for a rarity for no gain.
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