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California has about one year of water left

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Re: California has about one year of water left

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I wish there was some way to change prices to alter demand. Maybe a "task force of thought leaders" can crack open an Econ 101 textbook and look at the supply and demand curve on the first page. Sorry for the sarcasm, I'm just disappointed in the "reach for regulation first" approach to dealing with shortages.

Wouldn't changing the price agriculturists pays for water be exactly the kind of regulation you're deriding?

Though perhaps you are referring to the price of something else?

Re: California has about one year of water left

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post #7

Maybe I skimmed the article a bit fast, but I saw no mention of desalination plants, which are the obvious solution (though expensive and as far as I'm aware not implemented yet).

California's power grid is already stressed. Desalination takes a lot of power, so any new plants will probably have to install new power generation as well.

You can desal with excess renewables that would normally be curtailed (wind, for example), also similar to how the aluminum industry in Iceland is there to use their cheap geothermal power.

Re: California has about one year of water left

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I wish there was some way to change prices to alter demand. Maybe a "task force of thought leaders" can crack open an Econ 101 textbook and look at the supply and demand curve on the first page. Sorry for the sarcasm, I'm just disappointed in the "reach for regulation first" approach to dealing with shortages.

Are you serious? You want WATER to have its price raised to reflect the realities in California? All that would do is screw all the poor and middle class people and it would do nothing to solve the shortage.

Put down Atlas Shrugged for a minute and look at reality. The whole state of California has always been on water welfare, and if it weren't life there would be untenable for anyone who wasn't extremely wealthy.

If you really think "OK, so what? People can move." You are totally detached from reality. That's not what would happen. There would be riots.

Re: California has about one year of water left

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post #10

So what happens when they run out of water? Are there water sources that are just undrinkable that can be cleaned up; similar to fracking now being cheap enough to compete with OPEC is there no water or just no drinkable water? Can they just "ship" or "pipe" the water in from neighboring states or are they too on the edge of a draught. Is this country-wide, just Western states, or just California and can other states…

A lot of water in California goes to farming. They'll have to close farms, which will drive up prices of produce.

Until new farms capitalize on the opportunity to capture the market in places where there's an abundance of water.

Re: California has about one year of water left

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This could be a boon for middle eastern water companies (Israel has some geniuses in this space) for selling into California.

There are a few tactics for tackling this problem (disclaimer: I didn't read the article) - Reduction of waste (leaks, more efficient plumbing, rationing) - Desalination (only useful along the coast) - Deep wells - water extraction from the air - water recycling - what else?

Re: California has about one year of water left

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post #14
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California's power grid is already stressed. Desalination takes a lot of power, so any new plants will probably have to install new power generation as well.

If I were building a desalination plant I'd put the generator on site - why waste money on transmission losses? Natural gas generators are clean enough that I don't think it would be a big problem putting one by the ocean.

True, but real estate by the ocean seems like it would be at a premium.

Re: California has about one year of water left

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post #16

I wish there was some way to change prices to alter demand. Maybe a "task force of thought leaders" can crack open an Econ 101 textbook and look at the supply and demand curve on the first page. Sorry for the sarcasm, I'm just disappointed in the "reach for regulation first" approach to dealing with shortages.

You're right, if people can't afford water to drink, they're clearly not valuable enough to live. If a farm can't afford water for crops, the crops weren't profitable enough to grow anyway. And if the rest of the nation can't afford food since some foods will be scarce without California farms, they should just be more productive. No need for regulation!

It makes more sense to farm in places that have reliable sources of water. I don't see why we need to subsidize California's crops, especially when we have so much great soil wasted on corn. Farming, in general, in the US is fairly messed up. Perhaps this crisis will lead to a fix. Maintaining the status quo and pretending everything is okay via regulation and political corruption is what got us here. Lets not continue that.

Re: California has about one year of water left

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post #16

I wish there was some way to change prices to alter demand. Maybe a "task force of thought leaders" can crack open an Econ 101 textbook and look at the supply and demand curve on the first page. Sorry for the sarcasm, I'm just disappointed in the "reach for regulation first" approach to dealing with shortages.

You're right, if people can't afford water to drink, they're clearly not valuable enough to live. If a farm can't afford water for crops, the crops weren't profitable enough to grow anyway. And if the rest of the nation can't afford food since some foods will be scarce without California farms, they should just be more productive. No need for regulation!

Maybe we should get our almonds from somewhere else?

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/0...

Maybe California wouldn't have such a problem if they didn't plant crops that required so much water?

Re: California has about one year of water left

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that under most scenarios water for humans is fine, but agriculture will be totally dead in California.

Ahh, ok they hinted at that in the article but for some reason it didn't click in my head. I wonder if the farmers will just move to neighboring states (not that it's easy to pick up and move a farm....) losing farms in California would be a huge loss: > California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits, vegetables, and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percen…

Is this an issue of price? Charging more for water? Or is outright rationing without doing any price hikes the only viable option?
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