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Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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Why do a proven medical procedure with a high success rate that makes logical sense (replace a busted liver with a healthy one) when you can use homeopathy, witchcraft, prayer, etc

Weirdos are going to be weirdos. I'm not sure why we expect these characters to act like level-headed middle-class people when they've spent their life acting the opposite. Health typically ties to religious faith often and Jobs was a pretty faithful California-style Buddhist and naturalist. Or maybe Jobs didn't want to go under the knife unless he had to. Who really knows. I don't begrudge anyone who is afraid of surgery as it scares me as well, even "routine" ones.

This type of outsider judgement reminds me of the people who meet their favorite authors or other creatives and expect this Hollywood-esque falling in love scene, but in reality just get brushed off by an overly busy or overly neurotic creative person with poor social skills (how can you develop those wonderful social skills when you stare at a word processor or IDE 12+ hours a day obsessing over trivial details?). Every week there's a new AskReddit about, "Tell us which celebrity is really an asshole" full of stories of meeting someone you respected who didn't instantly become your best friend or spread his or her wealth out in an overly generous fashion to the help.

I find overly successful people are messed up in more than a few ways. Nice, balanced people don't usually engage in entrepreneurship or the arts. Or if they do, they're beaten down by the guy willing to burn himself out and destroy his family life to succeed. In an overly competitive society, the people who reach the top levels are half-crazy as wanting to get to that level is a half-crazy prospect in itself. Non-eccentrics just don't seem to break through.

This is currently a big struggle in my life. The next level for me financially is kinda risky, if not crazy. When do I tell myself to stop? When do I tell myself to be happy with what I have? The people in my life who are well-balanced and well-rounded don't seem to have this struggle. They're not obsessed with "making it" like I am. If I do "make it" I'm sure people will find me to be more than a little eccentric compared to the norm. Good or bad, that's just how I am and that's not going to change if mega-success comes my way. If anything, it'll just get worse.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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For the record, Jobs did get a liver transplant later that same year. According to the article.

Also for the record Jobs was offered a life saving surgery when initially diagnosed and chose "...alternative treatments like dietary supplements and juices." I am astonished that somebody as worldly as Jobs chose to do that. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jo...

> As worldly as jobs

#1 Anyone who is "worldly" cannot achieve the high success rate he achieved. His motto was "stay hungry, stay foolish".

#2 Jobs was buddhist but I dont remember where I got that info from.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record, Jobs did get a liver transplant later that same year. According to the article.

Also for the record Jobs was offered a life saving surgery when initially diagnosed and chose "...alternative treatments like dietary supplements and juices." I am astonished that somebody as worldly as Jobs chose to do that. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jo...

You might be interested in the Isaacson biography. It's not really much of a surprise. Jobs has always been quite a bit out there. Even in the early days, he would go on all-apple or all-carrot diets. Heck, the name "Apple Computer" probably came about because of the apple-orchard/commune he went to all the time. He also reportedly was not a big fan of bathing for similarly esoteric reasons.

"Worldly" is not the adjective I would apply.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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Why do a proven medical procedure with a high success rate that makes logical sense (replace a busted liver with a healthy one) when you can use homeopathy, witchcraft, prayer, etc

> when you can use homeopathy, witchcraft, prayer, etc

While it's known that Jobs used 'alternative medicine', it's unknown what he actually tried. It's possible he was using homeopathy, but it's also possible he was using an FDA-approved drug off label, using some drug still undergoing clinical trials, etc.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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Why do a proven medical procedure with a high success rate that makes logical sense (replace a busted liver with a healthy one) when you can use homeopathy, witchcraft, prayer, etc

At some point, you don't want to fight any longer. It is easier to escape into make-believe beliefs. Even if you don't admit it to yourself. Hell, that's how religion managed to get so popular.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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Why do a proven medical procedure with a high success rate that makes logical sense (replace a busted liver with a healthy one) when you can use homeopathy, witchcraft, prayer, etc

Weirdos are going to be weirdos. I'm not sure why we expect these characters to act like level-headed middle-class people when they've spent their life acting the opposite. Health typically ties to religious faith often and Jobs was a pretty faithful California-style Buddhist and naturalist. Or maybe Jobs didn't want to go under the knife unless he had to. Who really knows. I don't begrudge anyone who is afraid of su…

+1, except those people are NOT "messed up".

They think different. They think selfless. And they think there needs to be better ways of doing things.

Herbal organic treatment was one way of possibly doing it better and Jobs tried it.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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Why do a proven medical procedure with a high success rate that makes logical sense (replace a busted liver with a healthy one) when you can use homeopathy, witchcraft, prayer, etc

For the record, Jobs did get a liver transplant later that same year. According to the article.

Yeah after witchcraft had failed.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook offered Steve Jobs part of his liver, but he refused

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No, not really. Life extension is life saving, after all.

No, not really.

Unless you know of someone who lives forever, yes it is.

Getting another second is all the live-saving we have.

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