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Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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Has anyone thought much about an (admittedly near impossible) probe to burrow and submarine around in the oceans of some of the juicier Galilean and Saturnian moons?

Georgia Tech had a team in Antarctica recently doing field tests of robots designed to explore under very thick ice sheets, specifically to prepare for a Europa mission.

http://schmidt.eas.gatech.edu/simple/

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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Fascinating! However, I get the cringes every time an article about space exploration uses those atavistic units like Royal Hangnails (length), Princely Bladders (volume), Regal Farts (speed) and Fornicating Fever (temperature) for measurement. Hasn't the metric system arrived yet on planet USA?

Primitives, real intellectuals turn their noses at anything other than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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post #9

Fascinating! However, I get the cringes every time an article about space exploration uses those atavistic units like Royal Hangnails (length), Princely Bladders (volume), Regal Farts (speed) and Fornicating Fever (temperature) for measurement. Hasn't the metric system arrived yet on planet USA?

Why? Units are mostly arbitrary anyway. Actually, having more than one system is a good reminder of that. And Fahrenheit is supposedly more efficient for describing weather.

http://isomorphism.es/post/3767526267/fahrenheit-versus-cels...

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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post #9

Fascinating! However, I get the cringes every time an article about space exploration uses those atavistic units like Royal Hangnails (length), Princely Bladders (volume), Regal Farts (speed) and Fornicating Fever (temperature) for measurement. Hasn't the metric system arrived yet on planet USA?

While I'm an American engineer who prefers working in metric, since this is a space-related article I have to point you to this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/69/ae/01/69ae0104b...

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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post #9

Fascinating! However, I get the cringes every time an article about space exploration uses those atavistic units like Royal Hangnails (length), Princely Bladders (volume), Regal Farts (speed) and Fornicating Fever (temperature) for measurement. Hasn't the metric system arrived yet on planet USA?

Are you kidding? It was traumatic enough when we switched from cubits, scruples and fortnights.

And what good is a system of measurement that you can't use to bamboozle customers? ("That's not an ounce, ma'am, that's a Troy ounce...")

If we move to anything, it's going to be Donald Knuth's Potrzebie system (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrzebie). It seems more well thought out than most.

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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post #9

Fascinating! However, I get the cringes every time an article about space exploration uses those atavistic units like Royal Hangnails (length), Princely Bladders (volume), Regal Farts (speed) and Fornicating Fever (temperature) for measurement. Hasn't the metric system arrived yet on planet USA?

Primitives, real intellectuals turn their noses at anything other than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units

Wow, this is really cool. I'm afraid I have been one of the primitives up until now :)

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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Has anyone thought much about an (admittedly near impossible) probe to burrow and submarine around in the oceans of some of the juicier Galilean and Saturnian moons?

Yes, NASA. "We propose to develop a conceptual design of a submersible autonomous vehicle (submarine) to explore extraterrestrial seas" http://www.nasa.gov/content/titan-submarine-exploring-the-de...

Don't we already have lots of autonomous subs on earth? As long as they can survive the trip, just put some new sensors in and go.

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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Has anyone thought much about an (admittedly near impossible) probe to burrow and submarine around in the oceans of some of the juicier Galilean and Saturnian moons?

There has been talk of a Europa lander as part of ESA's JUICE mission [1], provided by the Russians. Looks like it has been de-scoped however.

[1] http://sci.esa.int/juice/

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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post #9

Fascinating! However, I get the cringes every time an article about space exploration uses those atavistic units like Royal Hangnails (length), Princely Bladders (volume), Regal Farts (speed) and Fornicating Fever (temperature) for measurement. Hasn't the metric system arrived yet on planet USA?

While I'm an American engineer who prefers working in metric, since this is a space-related article I have to point you to this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/69/ae/01/69ae0104b...

And I have to point to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_...

Re: Suddenly, It Seems, Water Is Everywhere in Solar System

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post #13
post #9

Fascinating! However, I get the cringes every time an article about space exploration uses those atavistic units like Royal Hangnails (length), Princely Bladders (volume), Regal Farts (speed) and Fornicating Fever (temperature) for measurement. Hasn't the metric system arrived yet on planet USA?

Why? Units are mostly arbitrary anyway. Actually, having more than one system is a good reminder of that. And Fahrenheit is supposedly more efficient for describing weather. http://isomorphism.es/post/3767526267/fahrenheit-versus-cels...

That's just a blatant rationalisation because people don't like change. There's nothing natural about understanding either metric or imperial, so suggesting that humans inherently are born with more understanding of one is silly.

Metric only wins in my book because it is much easier to convert units (there are no magic numbers for conversion factors). However I'd laugh at anyone who suggest metric is better because people inherently internalise it better, just as I laugh at people who suggest the same for imperial.

The US should switch, there are no legitimate arguments against it except perhaps [short term] costs. Certainly not "because F is easier to understand." It is only easier because you grew up with it and are used to it...

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