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Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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I wonder whether something like [0] would work, where the repository is encrypted on push and decrypted on pull. Might be against Github's terms of use, though. [0]: https://rovaughn.github.io/2015-2-9.html

Why would that be against github TOS? Encrypted files in git are not exactly unusual.

My thinking was that it's effectively a private repository (albeit publicly visible), so it would subvert their business model.

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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I'm a little paranoid about my code. I want to like github's private repos, but I don't want my code to be stolen by github's internal employees. I've heard that their employees do shady things on occasion (2nd hand knowledge).

Statistically speaking, without knowing anything about you, your code is probably not "omg this code is so awesome I will risk losing my job/business because I must possess this code" kind of awesome.

If it is, what are the chances of somebody figuring it out when there are literally several million git repos on github.

Just be careful. Don't name your repo something like "Cure for Cancer" or "Warp Drive Firmware", etc. and you will probably be in good shape.

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would that be against github TOS? Encrypted files in git are not exactly unusual.

My thinking was that it's effectively a private repository (albeit publicly visible), so it would subvert their business model.

they were talking about it being a private repo anyway that they were worried about.

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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Now if only Github could conquer the aging mess of forge.mil.

Forge.mil is a mess -- and will probably always be a mess until they ditch Collabnet's SourceForge Enterprise Edition as a platform.

There is code out there that would transform GitLab's Open source edition to use PKI for authentication (I wrote it for an employer and threw it on, ironically enough, github), but, the DOD is set in its ways and I'm sure that CollabNet (and Steel Thread) is trying to milk that contract twenty ways from Sunday.

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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For a matter of completeness, this[1] is an article worth the six minutes it takes to read it. [...]Bruce Sterling calls them “the Stacks”: Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, [GitHub]. [...] They don’t want much, those Stacks. Just your identity, your allegiance, and all of your data. Just to be your sole provider of messaging, media, merchandise, and metadata. Just to take part in as much of your online exi…

Thanks for pointing this out and for the link. I'm sort of surprised to see that sort of opinion published in the tech media. I agree with everything the author says... including how nice Github is to use, and I too use it all the time.

At the same time the secret to Github's success in my opinion is all of you hackers who use it to collaborate, not their genius business model or anything like that.

When git was gaining traction they were quickest to pivot that way because, well, they had nothing to pivot away from. The real test IMO with only come when the git-killer scm tool starts to take off; if they can keep their market share at that point then I'll be really impressed.

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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I think one of the underappreciated point of github is its excellent business model. The freemium model of providing everything for free if your code is public and charging only for private repositories allowed them to grow exponentially with rising popularity among open source projects. Sourceforge and Google code tried to cater only for open source projects, while never thinking that code hosting is the problem tha…

Is it actually a good business model, though? My understanding is GitHub is not profitable, and relies on VC funding to keep operating. At this point it seems like it will never be profitable unless they find some other significant source of income (as there's no reason to believe that there's hordes of companies out there just waiting to start paying GitHub for private repos). What's going to happen when the VC funding dries up?

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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I think one of the underappreciated point of github is its excellent business model. The freemium model of providing everything for free if your code is public and charging only for private repositories allowed them to grow exponentially with rising popularity among open source projects. Sourceforge and Google code tried to cater only for open source projects, while never thinking that code hosting is the problem tha…

> " The freemium model of providing everything for free if your code is public "

I actually prefer Bitbucket model of free private repos for tiny groups. I found myself with a lot of repos that I don't want to share until they are in a minimum quality state.

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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post #46

I think one of the underappreciated point of github is its excellent business model. The freemium model of providing everything for free if your code is public and charging only for private repositories allowed them to grow exponentially with rising popularity among open source projects. Sourceforge and Google code tried to cater only for open source projects, while never thinking that code hosting is the problem tha…

Is it actually a good business model, though? My understanding is GitHub is not profitable, and relies on VC funding to keep operating. At this point it seems like it will never be profitable unless they find some other significant source of income (as there's no reason to believe that there's hordes of companies out there just waiting to start paying GitHub for private repos). What's going to happen when the VC fund…

In August 2010: https://signalvnoise.com/posts/2486-bootstrapped-profitable-.... That might imply that at that time at least GitHub was profitable?

I have no knowledge one way or another.

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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I think one of the underappreciated point of github is its excellent business model. The freemium model of providing everything for free if your code is public and charging only for private repositories allowed them to grow exponentially with rising popularity among open source projects. Sourceforge and Google code tried to cater only for open source projects, while never thinking that code hosting is the problem tha…

I wish Sourceforge would have come to that realization. Anytime I search for something that tends to be older enterprisy-ish code and it shows up in Sourceforge (iText for example) I can never figure out what the hell is and isn't an ad. If I didn't know better I would suspect a malware vendor purchased it and turned it into a honeypot for lazy devs.

Dalton Caldwell, who once worked at SourceForge, blames the ad-supported business model as the underlying reason Sourceforge sucked[1]. The users were the product and the real customers were the advertisers no matter how much he and his coworkers wanted to believe otherwise. He credits GitHub's straight up reliance on just user revenue as the key to the quality of their product.

We've all been duped into thinking that ads give us things for free. Sourceforge and all other ad-supported sites are not only not free, they are costing us more than if we just paid[2]. We users neec to hear Maciej Cegłowski[3] exhortation, "Don't Be a Free User"[4].

I can't wait for the day when more people realize that entire web is being held hostage by advertising and a web without ads would be to today's web what GitHub is to Sourceforge.

[1] http://daltoncaldwell.com/an-audacious-proposal

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8585237

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=idlewords

[4] https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/

Re: How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google makes 6% of its revenue throgh Youtube, so saying 98% is from ads is wrong. Doesn't Google make money on Youtube by showing ads?

YouTube also sells and rents movies.

I highly doubt even .5% of their revenue comes from that.
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