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Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

some_furry wrote: post #161
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #133

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> I think it is fair to for GitLab to pitch their service, considering that the google code blogspot post specifically mentioned both GitHub 8 times and Bitbucket 3 times, while GitLab offers similar functionality. The only thing similar between gitlab and github is that they do something with version control. Gitlab is not a place for open source projects. The projects with the most stars on gitlab s gitlab itself w…

> Gitlab is not a place for open source projects. What reasons do you have to you believe this statement? I'm curious. > The projects with the most stars on gitlab s gitlab itself with 221 stars right now. Even the smallest nodejs project achieves that popularity on github. Really? I'm surprised. I started coding a forum platform and I only amassed 3 stars. On my non-furry personas, I've capped out at about 13. I don…

> What reasons do you have to you believe this statement? I'm curious.

Did you use it? Gitlab has barely any open source projects let alone developers on it. Say as much as you want, but for many open source projects community is a big deal.

Currently there is absolutely no reason to use Gitlab. Neither does it do things better than Github or Bitbucket in any way, nor does it have a larger community. It's "just" another github clone.

> Really? I'm surprised. I started coding a forum platform and I only amassed 3 stars. On my non-furry personas, I've capped out at about 13.

The second biggest project on gitlab has 36 stars: https://gitlab.com/explore/projects/starred

The 9th largest already has less than the 13 stars you mentioned on your personal project.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by [deleted] »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #181
some_furry wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gitlab is not a place for open source projects. What reasons do you have to you believe this statement? I'm curious. > The projects with the most stars on gitlab s gitlab itself with 221 stars right now. Even the smallest nodejs project achieves that popularity on github. Really? I'm surprised. I started coding a forum platform and I only amassed 3 stars. On my non-furry personas, I've capped out at about 13. I don…

> What reasons do you have to you believe this statement? I'm curious. Did you use it? Gitlab has barely any open source projects let alone developers on it. Say as much as you want, but for many open source projects community is a big deal. Currently there is absolutely no reason to use Gitlab. Neither does it do things better than Github or Bitbucket in any way, nor does it have a larger community. It's "just" anot…

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Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

#183

Post by ginko »

reuven wrote: post #24

GitHub's success is due, in no small part, to their excellent interface. Google Code was, by contrast, always ugly, hard to navigate, and hard to understand. (This, of course, ignores the many features that GitHub offers, which Google Code doesn't.) I know of many companies that learned about GitHub via open-source projects, which GitHub hosts for free, and decided that it was so good that they should pay money. Host…

"It was a kind of souped-up SourceForge, rather than a serious GitHub competitor."

You have no idea how much better the user experience of Google Code was compared to SourceForge. Especially from the project maintainer side.

I have no idea if SF still does this, but not too many years ago to upload your files you had to upload them using SSH into a folder shared between all projects, then select your download file out of those when creating the download link.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by arcatek »

rossj wrote: post #138
tjohns wrote: post #129

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Google Code already has an option to flag a project as moved. From your project: Administer > Advanced > Project Moved For an example of what this looks like: http://code.google.com/p/iosched

That's great, until code.google.com no longer resolves, at which point it won't help :( Would be nice if they used that info to automatically redirect to the new site.

They said they would on the blog post

    I work on Google Code, and we will be putting a service in place to redirect
    deep links to project homepages, issues, etc. to their new locations.

    Projects on Google Code will need to set the "project moved" flag, under the
    advanced tab of the project. But once set, things should work like you
    expect.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by some_furry »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #181
some_furry wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gitlab is not a place for open source projects. What reasons do you have to you believe this statement? I'm curious. > The projects with the most stars on gitlab s gitlab itself with 221 stars right now. Even the smallest nodejs project achieves that popularity on github. Really? I'm surprised. I started coding a forum platform and I only amassed 3 stars. On my non-furry personas, I've capped out at about 13. I don…

> What reasons do you have to you believe this statement? I'm curious. Did you use it? Gitlab has barely any open source projects let alone developers on it. Say as much as you want, but for many open source projects community is a big deal. Currently there is absolutely no reason to use Gitlab. Neither does it do things better than Github or Bitbucket in any way, nor does it have a larger community. It's "just" anot…

> Currently there is absolutely no reason to use Gitlab.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/05/to-get-off-russias-blacklis...

Since you used the words, "absolutely no reason", here's a counterpoint: as part of an anti-censorship hydra effort.

    All X is Y.
    At least one X is not Y.
    ^-- contradiction
:)

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

ericfontaine wrote: post #173
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it is fair to for GitLab to pitch their service, considering that the google code blogspot post specifically mentioned both GitHub 8 times and Bitbucket 3 times, while GitLab offers similar functionality. The only thing similar between gitlab and github is that they do something with version control. Gitlab is not a place for open source projects. The projects with the most stars on gitlab s gitlab itself w…

"There are many other hosting services like gitlab, what would make gitlab different so that it would deserve a pitch there?" Which is why I said the blogpost would be fairer to just post the wikipedia comparison link. I never said that gitlab should "deserve" a pitch on the blog. I did say it was fair for GitLab to pitch their services, as the CEO has done here, but that is different from "deserving" a pitch. It is…

> It is hard to objectively determine what is the better hosting, but based on people's individual preferences, they can subjectively decide for themselves, which the wikipedia article helps out by clearly explaining the differences.

It's quite easy to tell actually. Responsiveness of the UI, featureset, availability, size of the community.

* Gitlab is measurably slower (it takes about 5 seconds to load the commit page of a project, compared to Note: I'm not talking about commercial hosting, but about a place for Open Source projects. There is currently absolutely no objective reason to put a project on gitlab.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

some_furry wrote: post #185
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What reasons do you have to you believe this statement? I'm curious. Did you use it? Gitlab has barely any open source projects let alone developers on it. Say as much as you want, but for many open source projects community is a big deal. Currently there is absolutely no reason to use Gitlab. Neither does it do things better than Github or Bitbucket in any way, nor does it have a larger community. It's "just" anot…

> Currently there is absolutely no reason to use Gitlab. http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/05/to-get-off-russias-blacklis... Since you used the words, "absolutely no reason", here's a counterpoint: as part of an anti-censorship hydra effort. All X is Y. At least one X is not Y. ^-- contradiction :)

> Since you used the words, "absolutely no reason", here's a counterpoint: as part of an anti-censorship hydra effort.

I don't see how this is relevant at all? First of all github did not remove that content, it IP blocked it. Secondly what do you think that gitlab would do if they would be hit by this?

Do you think it's better for github to go down for Russia entirely? Imagine that would be your proposal for what gitlab should do. Then it would even stronger enforce that gitlab is not a place to go for an Open Source project.

Why should your project suffer and become unavailable because some other project violated Russian law?

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by opinali »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #76
baggachipz wrote: post #14

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I might be feeding here, but the lesson is that you can't count on things Google releases to be around very long. Even APIs for popular products, like Google Maps. Just don't expect anything they release to have a long shelf life. It's annoying and it sucks, and it is now laughable when they tag things with phrases like "free code hosting forever" and so on. For them to change, they'd have to either: 1) Support every…

This is the problem with proprietary cloud services. As long as they're hosted by and run by a single company, you can't be sure they'll stick around.

Yeah, like http://www.codehaus.org/ is living forever? ;-)

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

sytse wrote: post #156
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it is fair to for GitLab to pitch their service, considering that the google code blogspot post specifically mentioned both GitHub 8 times and Bitbucket 3 times, while GitLab offers similar functionality. The only thing similar between gitlab and github is that they do something with version control. Gitlab is not a place for open source projects. The projects with the most stars on gitlab s gitlab itself w…

Obviously GitHub is much larger, but some projects are moving to GitLab, such as GnuTLS https://twitter.com/GnuTLS/status/573155639683248128 Bitbucket is also mentioned even though they don't have a lot of public projects. GitLab is open source, has a great interface, many features (protected branches, git-annex support) and we offer unlimited (private) repositories on GitLab.com

GnuTLS did not move, they were moved because Gitorious got acquired by gitlab.

Re: Bidding farewell to Google Code

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Post by demarq »

xasos wrote: post #165
sytse wrote: post #137

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Sorry, it would have been better to say we acquired them, thanks for noting this.

BTW, One of your testimonials on your landing page bashes Gitorious (which no longer exists and is part of your company): > “Gitlab is an excellent option….. not only more user friendly than Gitorious but also easier to install.”

more of a comparison than a bash, lets be fair.
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