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Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by jessaustin »

tjoff wrote: post #407
benihana wrote: post #299

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At this point, I find this whole thing funny. Again. How many times has Apple done this in modern times? Remember the outrage when Apple removed floppy disk drives? Optical drives? Ethernet ports? Remember how mad everyone got when Apple replaced their old, thick connector on the iPhone 5? Nobody complains about how thin their phone is now that the old 30pin connector is no longer the limiting factor on size. Nobody…

Yeah, every day you are reminded because someone forgot their apple adapter. It's nothing but pathetic. Optical drives and floppy discs were obvious, they were never used on a daily basis when they were removed and that they remained so long in laptops (macs included) is just astounding. But something like Ethernet is just ludicrous. Unfortunately, if you want a slim laptop Ethernet will have to go - but it sure as h…

I agree that ethernet is valuable, which is why I keep a usb-ethernet adapter with me.

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by mdaniel »

jeena wrote: post #446
mdaniel wrote: post #438

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Android port of the two apps I had mentioned previously, like Sublime and/or Eclipse I believe the Eclipse folks think that Orion ( http://www.eclipse.org/orion/ ) is the path out of that jam. I'm super stoked about that project, and think it may have real legs if they don't lose focus. That is their solution to your git need, also, unless one requires a dedicated git client to do rebases or other ninjary: https://gi…

What about the compile stack or webapplication stack like node or rails? I'm mostly just curious how this would work on such a OS.

I'm only speculating, and/or it could even differ per organization since in my mental model deploying Orion is only one step of many, but I would guess the two stacks you mentioned are famous for their watch-and-refresh development model. Thus, the coder presses "Save" (or perhaps "Commit", if "Save" is not atomic enough for deployment) and then either the CI system pushes out files or deploys for you or Orion pokes the development server to grab the latest files.

I am 100% positive it will take some mental and maybe even logistical reorganization to switch to a cloud-based coding environment. Almost every change I can think of in a professional capacity is evaluated in a cost-benefit analysis.

But today I am home sick, and thus have no access to my properly configured PyCharm, nor access to the local feature branches on my machine and it would be a bunch of ssh hoop jumping to deploy anything that I did write while at home. My interests are pretty much in descending order of that list. I would love a copy of cloud-PyCharm.

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by beerbajay »

EC1 wrote: post #244
egonschiele wrote: post #172

I'm not sure why this is better than the cheapest macbook air?Similar battery life, similar processor. 4gb more memory, smaller hard drive. And the cheapest pixel is $100 more. What do I get for that $100? For me the downsides are: can only use apps from the chrome web store, no unix command line (maybe it exists and I don't know?). I'm really happy someone is trying to compete, but not sure why I would buy this.

I don't know a single person in real life that has a chromebook. Who is buying these?

I got one when Lenovo refused to replace my thinkpad despite obviously defective hinge engineering. If I'm going to have to buy a new laptop every two years, it may as well be a cheap one. I installed crouton and have been using it as a development machine.

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by lallysingh »

badloginagain wrote: post #206
zanny wrote: post #177

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If it had 256GB and Ubunutu it would be the Linux Macbook we need. A large portion of buyers will almost certainly be trying to run GNU/Linux on it anyway.

"How hard would it be to install Ubuntu" is the first thing I think whenever I see a Chromebook. I never look into it further because I assume they've made it difficult.

ChromeOS is Linux and chrome, with a drastically simplified desktop environment. The hardware is well supported (AFAIK). But it's easier to run crouton atop than reinstall. So most people who want more do that.

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by mark-r »

EC1 wrote: post #244
egonschiele wrote: post #172

I'm not sure why this is better than the cheapest macbook air?Similar battery life, similar processor. 4gb more memory, smaller hard drive. And the cheapest pixel is $100 more. What do I get for that $100? For me the downsides are: can only use apps from the chrome web store, no unix command line (maybe it exists and I don't know?). I'm really happy someone is trying to compete, but not sure why I would buy this.

I don't know a single person in real life that has a chromebook. Who is buying these?

Our local elementary school just announced a program to buy all students a chromebook, starting with 1/3 of them next year. They're perfect for the kids because they can't mess them up too much (other than dropping them).

I presume they're not getting the Pixel models though. I don't know who buys those.

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by mikeflynn »

gknoy wrote: post #310
fragmede wrote: post #232

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It's really not though. There's crouton which makes it trivial to setup a chroot - https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton which is good enough for most users. If you'd rather blow away ChromeOS and install Ubuntu, it's just a few commands on the command line to boot from USB and install Ubuntu.

My biggest worry is the ease with which one can accidentally wipe out everything and reset it to factory settings every time you boot up. I might be super careful, but all I need is for my four or seven year old to turn it on wrong, and suddenly I fear I'd have a several hour fix-it session. If it came with a setting that would let me make changes more permanent (e.g., a BIOS setting), I'd want one in a heartbeat.

This.

My wife accidentally wiped my fully configured Crouton Ubuntu install off the drive when I was first playing with my Gen 1 Pixel. I chatted with a few Google Chrome OS devs right after this happened and managed to convince one that some sort of a setting, even if it's super obscure, would be a good idea, but apparently nothing ever came of it.

Crouton has come along way since then and you can back your chroot off to an SD card now, but it's still a pain point for sure.

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by tmosleyIII »

X-Istence wrote: post #294
gnopgnip wrote: post #286

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The newer versions of VMware are html based instead of using the thick client. Managing them and accessing the console should work in theory. Also the Citrix receiver and Remote Desktop clients both work well on the newer chromebooks. If you mean running vms I would consider a more powerful machine with more ram and a supported operating system.

Too bad that VMWare still hasn't upgraded their VMWare Integration plugin to use the new plugin architecture for Chrome, and that Adobe no longer makes Flash for Linux because right now the only way I can manage my VMWare/vCenter is using the Freshplayerplugin that wraps the Pepper Flash version that comes bundled with Chrome so that I can have the VMWare integration plugin function so that I can upload/download OVF'…

I have a Dell XPS13 running Ubuntu and I use the vSphere Web Client in Chrome to manage our infrastructure.

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by jessaustin »

darcyparker wrote: post #359
DanTheManPR wrote: post #348

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It has the option of a 3200x1800 screen.

Where did you see this? I tried adding it to my cart and I don't see the option. And I don't see it in their 'configuration' description.

ossreality [dead]:

I can't imagine more than 10% of people ever even see these additional configuration. (just like this comment!)

So meta! Way to work that hellban, 'ossreality!

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by cdnsteve »

ChromeOS is a non-starter for any development work I'd like. At one time, before 2 kids and a busy job, I would have entertained and enjoyed tinkering and formatting a brand new machine to load up Linux. Now, I don't have time or the energy to waste on that type of thing. I use to like building my own systems, now I just need it to work and do what I need.

At this very high price point (for a computer that just surfs the web) I wouldn't want to be the guy responsible for making sales targets.

Re: 2015 Chromebook Pixel

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Post by marbletiles »

mwfunk wrote: post #349
marbletiles wrote: post #324

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> Nobody complains about how thin their phone is now that the old 30pin connector is no longer the limiting factor on size Yeah, they do. Ask someone whose iPhone has just died (again) if they'd take it being a bit thicker with a bit more battery, and I don't know anyone who wouldn't make the trade. And I personally still miss living in a world where no matter where you went you were never more than 5 feet from a 30-…

FWIW, my anecdotal experience is the exact opposite of your anecdotal experience, which I guess is the nature of such things.

Which part? Everyone you know prefers thinness over battery life? Or prefers having fewer compatible cables around?
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