Is azure has the product like this? Usually cloud war start from amazon, then google, and then azure is the last one
Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://xkcd.com/1494/ The unusual thing about this market is that by constantly improving the price point of their product but keeping their profit margins the same, AWS has forced every competitor in it to actually compete at the limits of their capability - so any scheme like this that got any serious traction would presumably be self-undermining. The economists will have considered all of the unused provided capac…
For a reference point: The hardware cost for storage servers with full redundancy is in the order of $0.10 per GB (plus electricity, rack space etc.). Buying your own hardware and throwing it away every year is price competitive with Nearline (and you get full online storage, no three second delays and slow retrieval). Of course there's good reasons not to roll your own solution until you reach a certain scale, but i…
> For a reference point: The hardware cost for storage servers with full redundancy is in the order of $0.10 per GB (plus electricity, rack space etc.). Buying your own hardware and throwing it away every year is price competitive with Nearline (and you get full online storage, no three second delays and slow retrieval).
Well, it would be price competitive if you considered only the hardware costs and not, e.g., the labor cost involved.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the last excuse for not using self-hosted, secure backup tools like Arq[1] disappears. Hardly. I pay for support. I pay for liability. If something goes haywire with my backups, I have a phone number I can call. A number that's not software developer/ sys admin who has no idea why I'm calling about my mom's missing holiday photos.
"I pay for support. I pay for liability. If something goes haywire with my backups, I have a phone number I can call" Google "{service} lost all of my data" and see what kind of support these people got. I get that it gives you warm fuzzies but when these companies loose all of your data, you have almost no recourse.
The free services have no warranty on anything.
The services you pay for (eg: with money, not just data) have a warranty.
If they lose any data, they're liable for that as well. All the way up to taking them to court on it.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Glacier pricing is surprisingly complicated, and the actual cost can be much higher than $0.01 per GB-month if you don't read the fine print. The biggest gotcha is that you can only access 0.17% of the data you've stored in any given day without extra charges. So if you've stored 1000 GB, you can only access 1.7 GB per day for free. The cost for going over your daily "retrieval allowance" can be large, because cost i…
Thanks for the detailed breakdown, that's really interesting! Sounds like you were bitten by this? :)
Ok. I have to this to this. i'm sorry.
I guess he would say he was... sunglasses FROSTBITTEN YEAH!
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#125This is a nail in the coffin of the SaaS backup industry (Backblaze, RescuePlan, etc.). With storage becoming essentially free the last excuse for not using self-hosted, secure backup tools like Arq[1] disappears. [1] http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/
Arq would be exactly what I wanted if it wasn't Mac-only, and preferably open source.
It's also extremely expensive. I can put some effort for 5 USD per month for storage, but 40 USD upfront is prohibitive for me.
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#126I wonder what the underlying hardware is?
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#1271c/GB/mo for data stored, ~3 seconds response times (cf. tape/Glacier at multiple hours), 11 9s durability, same API as Google Cloud Storage online. (edit: add /month)
There's no mention of durability numbers anywhere in the docs. S3 and Glacier mention 11 9s durability in their FAQ though.
Google Cloud Storage Nearline offers the same durability as the Standard-priced storage offering. See the first paragraph of https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/nearline-storage
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#128Does anyone know of any online-storage offering that allows paying in bitcoin and allows API access? Thanks
tarsnap accepts bitcoins
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#130The detailed pricing is at https://cloud.google.com/storage/pricing#nearline-pricing In short, if I'm understanding correctly: $0.01 per GB per month storage $0.01 per GB retrieval Normal egress fees on top, so additional ~$0.10 per GB if you want to retrieve outside of Google Cloud. Early deletion fee. Effectively just a minimum storage charge of 1 month. It seems this is cheaper than Glacier and quite a bit simpler…
Unless Glacier just changed their pricing, how is it cheaper and simpler? Glacier is also $.01/GB storage, but only $.09/GB retrieval, which is cheaper than google's $.12/GB. Glacier also comes with 1st GB retrieval free/mo.
"Unless Glacier just changed their pricing, how is it cheaper and simpler? Glacier is also $.01/GB storage, but only $.09/GB retrieval, which is cheaper than google's $.12/GB. Glacier also comes with 1st GB retrieval free/mo."
As long as we are comparing effective pricing, which is the only number that matters with Glacier and "Google Nearline" (and, to some degree, S3) it should be noted that rsync.net PB-scale is 3.0 cents with no additional charges.
That is, the effective price, no matter what your use-case or traffic/usage, is 3.0 cents per GB.[1]
Of course, you do have to buy a petabyte of it ...