Students are fleeing US law schools and pouring into engineering
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Re: Students are fleeing US law schools and pouring into engineering
#2Suggest changing to the title in the article, which is more relevant to HN: "US students are fleeing law schools and pouring into engineering."
Re: Students are fleeing US law schools and pouring into engineering
#3Suggest changing to the title in the article, which is more relevant to HN: "US students are fleeing law schools and pouring into engineering."
Done. Thanks.
Re: Students are fleeing US law schools and pouring into engineering
#4One thing these stats don't capture is the effective tuition charged by law schools. Schools are raising sticker prices, but handing out more scholarships. From discussions with someone who tracks these things, effective law school tuitions have been dropping.
Law school attendance for most students is being subsidized by richer students and by those who haven't figured out that law school at sticker is generally a scam.
The higher the sticker price, the more impressive a scholarship can seem.
As enrolments drop, schools are pretty desperate for students at present. LSAT median scores and median GPAs are dropping at many schools. Eventually, some schools will have to close; they're in a bubble.
Re: Students are fleeing US law schools and pouring into engineering
#5Interesting data, but I'm not sure the title is supported by the conclusion.
The title reads "US students are fleeing law schools and pouring into engineering." This is backed up by data that shows law school enrollment declining and engineering graduate enrollment increasing.
However, it's not exactly a secret that engineering graduate programs have higher international student enrollment than law schools. So we'd need to know where the enrollment growth is coming from before we can conclude that US students are fleeing law for engineering.
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#7Law has changed since the 80s and 90s.
The profession was much more of a bloodsport. Less cases settled, far less went to arbitration, and more money was spent when a case did go to trial.
Nowadays the culture has shifted almost completely to keeping costs down and settling things outside of court -- either settling outright or through a mediated arbitration (much less expensive).
It's no surprise to me that law school grads are out of work these days.
Re: Students are fleeing US law schools and pouring into engineering
#8We'd better improve our interview techniques before the flood of lawyer-like engineers who are only in it for the money arrives. My recommendation- avoid brain-teasers that can be crammed for. Assess based on open-source contributions, which show craftsmanship, architecture, and love of coding.
Re: Students are fleeing US law schools and pouring into engineering
#9We'd better improve our interview techniques before the flood of lawyer-like engineers who are only in it for the money arrives. My recommendation- avoid brain-teasers that can be crammed for. Assess based on open-source contributions, which show craftsmanship, architecture, and love of coding.
Believe it or not, there are already large swathes of people that get engineering degrees because it is a good paying, stable, respected job. Probably 1/3 of my graduating class would have said their primary motivation for getting an engineering degree was the solid salary.
Re: Students are fleeing US law schools and pouring into engineering
#10We'd better improve our interview techniques before the flood of lawyer-like engineers who are only in it for the money arrives. My recommendation- avoid brain-teasers that can be crammed for. Assess based on open-source contributions, which show craftsmanship, architecture, and love of coding.
Believe it or not, there are already large swathes of people that get engineering degrees because it is a good paying, stable, respected job. Probably 1/3 of my graduating class would have said their primary motivation for getting an engineering degree was the solid salary.
Historically, the solid pay and good prospects have been a primary driving criterion for people going into engineering. The Silicon Valley idealists who want to "change the world with food delivery" is the new phenomenon, not the other way around.