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Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by libria » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:18 PM UTC

weitzj wrote: post #73

Quote: "This is a Beta release of Nearline Storage. This feature is not covered by any SLA or deprecation policy and may be subject to backward-incompatible changes." So should I believe in Google's good-will? I would be fine trying out some services, which are in Google Beta. But my valuable data? They should have a SLA right from the start to gain the user's trust.

If we place too many restrictions on how companies should offer preview releases, they'll just stop entirely. Are you suggesting that even those comfortable taking on risk to get a sneak peak should be forced to wait for general availability?

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by texthompson » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:28 PM UTC

libria wrote: post #81

weitzj wrote: post #73

Quote: "This is a Beta release of Nearline Storage. This feature is not covered by any SLA or deprecation policy and may be subject to backward-incompatible changes." So should I believe in Google's good-will? I would be fine trying out some services, which are in Google Beta. But my valuable data? They should have a SLA right from the start to gain the user's trust.

If we place too many restrictions on how companies should offer preview releases, they'll just stop entirely. Are you suggesting that even those comfortable taking on risk to get a sneak peak should be forced to wait for general availability?

Nobody is placing restrictions, but it's understandable if people are skeptical.

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by isaacdl » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:29 PM UTC

weitzj wrote: post #73

Quote: "This is a Beta release of Nearline Storage. This feature is not covered by any SLA or deprecation policy and may be subject to backward-incompatible changes." So should I believe in Google's good-will? I would be fine trying out some services, which are in Google Beta. But my valuable data? They should have a SLA right from the start to gain the user's trust.

It seems like this is why they have the clause that you quoted. They aren't yet comfortable guaranteeing reliability or backwards compatibility (i.e. what "beta" means). If these things are crucially important to you, there's a pretty good chance you shouldn't be using it for your "valuable data".

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by crdoconnor » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:33 PM UTC

weitzj wrote: post #73

Quote: "This is a Beta release of Nearline Storage. This feature is not covered by any SLA or deprecation policy and may be subject to backward-incompatible changes." So should I believe in Google's good-will? I would be fine trying out some services, which are in Google Beta. But my valuable data? They should have a SLA right from the start to gain the user's trust.

It seems most useful as a place for redundant, encrypted backup. You don't really need it to be reliable (or safe) to store an encrypted online version of ~500gb of family photos that you have on an external hard disk.

You just want cheap and fast.

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by pi-rat » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:35 PM UTC

ddorian43 wrote: post #34

gaul wrote: post #32

I added GCS nearline to my object storage comparison: http://gaul.org/object-store-comparison/

you are missing runabove edit: also missing constant.com

Didn't know they offered object storage, thanks. $0,01/GB/month - for online content - replicated 3 times.. Wow

Any experience with them? how is their stability and speed?

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:37 PM UTC

weitzj wrote: post #73

Quote: "This is a Beta release of Nearline Storage. This feature is not covered by any SLA or deprecation policy and may be subject to backward-incompatible changes." So should I believe in Google's good-will? I would be fine trying out some services, which are in Google Beta. But my valuable data? They should have a SLA right from the start to gain the user's trust.

In beta, your build the tools to use the service with your data, but don't use it for mission critical data until you have an SLA, etc., that you are comfortable with for that purpose.

And if you aren't comfortable even investing development efforts against a beta, don't. Different customers have different risk tolerances, and the fact that an early access product doesn't meet yours doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for those whose risk tolerances it is suitable for.

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by josefresco » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:40 PM UTC

moe wrote: post #36

This is a nail in the coffin of the SaaS backup industry (Backblaze, RescuePlan, etc.). With storage becoming essentially free the last excuse for not using self-hosted, secure backup tools like Arq[1] disappears. [1] http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/

How is using Arq+Nearline better than Backlaze (client and storage)? Not really "self hosted" if you're still dumping the data to a cloud provider. Even if you configure Arq to use your own "cloud" (cost of that notwithstanding) I don't think it's an overall net improvement.

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by jlebar » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:41 PM UTC

weitzj wrote: post #73

Quote: "This is a Beta release of Nearline Storage. This feature is not covered by any SLA or deprecation policy and may be subject to backward-incompatible changes." So should I believe in Google's good-will? I would be fine trying out some services, which are in Google Beta. But my valuable data? They should have a SLA right from the start to gain the user's trust.

> But my valuable data?

Surely the whole point of not having an SLA (and indeed the whole point of calling it a "beta") is so that you don't trust it with your valuable data. I'm sure it will have an SLA soon enough.

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by ddorian43 » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:41 PM UTC

pi-rat wrote: post #85

ddorian43 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are missing runabove edit: also missing constant.com

Didn't know they offered object storage, thanks. $0,01/GB/month - for online content - replicated 3 times.. Wow Any experience with them? how is their stability and speed?

No I haven't used them. But their parent-company(ohv) has the ~lowest prices you can find.

Re: Introducing Google Cloud Storage Nearline

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 4:42 PM UTC

jlebar wrote: post #88

weitzj wrote: post #73

Quote: "This is a Beta release of Nearline Storage. This feature is not covered by any SLA or deprecation policy and may be subject to backward-incompatible changes." So should I believe in Google's good-will? I would be fine trying out some services, which are in Google Beta. But my valuable data? They should have a SLA right from the start to gain the user's trust.

> But my valuable data? Surely the whole point of not having an SLA (and indeed the whole point of calling it a "beta") is so that you don't trust it with your valuable data. I'm sure it will have an SLA soon enough.

I don't have a whole lot of worthless data.