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Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

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Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

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Post by gambiting »

vacri wrote: post #71
ars wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Since voices don't change until puberty -- any kid screaming sounds the same. Apparently you have not met any. They don't sound anything alike, except maybe as newborns. > there are little girls who love and hate insects He just said scream like a little girl, there was no connotation of girls hating or loving insects. Just a sound.

there was no connotation of girls hating or loving insects. Just a sound. There was, however, the connotation that girls are prissy and easily scared.

Where? How? There is no such thing said anywhere - if you made such connection in your brain then well, it's your problem. It's a description of a sound, nothing more, nothing less.

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#82

Post by gambiting »

dnewms wrote: post #34
ars wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> screaming like a small child" perhaps is better. Why is that better? Have you never heard a little girl scream? It's not the same as the sound of a little boy. Let's not let political correctness wash away every difference that makes individuals special.

Since voices don't change until puberty -- any kid screaming sounds the same. And in the vein of special individuals, there are little girls who love and hate insects, and little boys who love and hate insects. Perhaps a more original phrase or analogy would be better: I would scream like a Dryococelus australis being attacked by rats.

>>any kid screaming sounds the same.

So what is the problem then? If they sound the same, then what difference does it make if he said "scream like a little girl" or "scream like a little boy" or "scream as a child"?

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#83

Post by pvaldes »

The idea is not to change disgusting black rats by disgusting black huge insects, in fact is more complex.

If we could wipe rats and restore the unique ecosystem some other species could re-flourish again.

Like this fligthless bird, the Lord Howe Island Woodhen, only 15 of those birds remained in 1980 in the world, about 300 birds currently:

http://m2.i.pbase.com/o6/21/489821/1/146964222.sYTnvRRL.DSC_...

Or this beautiful endemic stag bettle

http://blog-imgs-46-origin.fc2.com/a/r/c/arc6464/20111120214...

this exclusive snail:

http://www.lordhowe-tours.com.au/images/snail_survey.jpg

some birds will benefit also

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lord_Howe...

http://www.barraimaging.com.au/Birds-By-Country/BirdsOfAustr...

http://www.avesphoto.com/website/pictures/TLTGRY-2.jpg

and also this big bush cockroach:

http://lordhowe-tours.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Cock...

And also other 950 endemic species

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#84

Post by mania »

ars wrote: post #31
jusben1369 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'screaming like a small child" perhaps is better.

> screaming like a small child" perhaps is better. Why is that better? Have you never heard a little girl scream? It's not the same as the sound of a little boy. Let's not let political correctness wash away every difference that makes individuals special.

It is better because as anti-feminism claims feminism is all about taking rights from children to give them to women. From language remarks like this, through having mom at home, to abortion... It is all about women right to neglect children to do whatever else they wanna do. A bit like male who prefers lying down on coach to doing any work -- disgusting.

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#85

Post by jusben1369 »

ars wrote: post #31
jusben1369 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'screaming like a small child" perhaps is better.

> screaming like a small child" perhaps is better. Why is that better? Have you never heard a little girl scream? It's not the same as the sound of a little boy. Let's not let political correctness wash away every difference that makes individuals special.

There are two ways to interpret this. One is the very literal level. Comparing a boys scream to a girls scream. This is what you and many others in this thread do. Is there anything unique about a little boy's scream over a little girl's scream? They're of slightly different pitches but there's hardly any real "difference" that makes one unique and in need of protection from being "washed away".

So then you take a step back and stop being so literal (which is also nonsensical because the scream of either young child would suffice in the example) and say "Why is the expression always 'scream like a little girl' vs 'scream like a little boy?" Why would a grown male say 'little girl" and change sexes in their example? It's because we have a stereotype of girls being more fearful and generally inadequate when faced with such things than boys. A small girl screaming is cute and funny because it reinforces stereotypes around them needing protection and not being self sufficient. A small boy screaming is not cute and funny as boy's are expected to be brave and not scared - it's a sign of weakness if they do. It's an inaccurate stereotype and slightly demeans girls and/or sends messages on our how they're supposed to act. "Screamed like a little girl. Throws a ball like a girl" It's death by a thousand little subtle lashes.

So "would scream like a scared little child" conveys perfectly what you might want to get across without demeaning one sex over the other. If you want to be sex specific then use your own vs feeling the need to switch to the other side.

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#86

Post by jusben1369 »

gambiting wrote: post #81
vacri wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there was no connotation of girls hating or loving insects. Just a sound. There was, however, the connotation that girls are prissy and easily scared.

Where? How? There is no such thing said anywhere - if you made such connection in your brain then well, it's your problem. It's a description of a sound, nothing more, nothing less.

See my additional comment above in this thread.

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#87

Post by mania »

jusben1369 wrote: post #85
ars wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> screaming like a small child" perhaps is better. Why is that better? Have you never heard a little girl scream? It's not the same as the sound of a little boy. Let's not let political correctness wash away every difference that makes individuals special.

There are two ways to interpret this. One is the very literal level. Comparing a boys scream to a girls scream. This is what you and many others in this thread do. Is there anything unique about a little boy's scream over a little girl's scream? They're of slightly different pitches but there's hardly any real "difference" that makes one unique and in need of protection from being "washed away". So then you take a st…

So you say girls aren't more scared of rats than boys? They don't scream louder and longer when looking at a little mouse in the corner? They are all macho in your delusional worldview, right?

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#88

Post by mania »

jusben1369 wrote: post #86
gambiting wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where? How? There is no such thing said anywhere - if you made such connection in your brain then well, it's your problem. It's a description of a sound, nothing more, nothing less.

See my additional comment above in this thread.

so you say we can discriminate against children as long as they aren't girls?!

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#89

Post by eric_h »

ars wrote: post #44
eric_h wrote: post #40

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> Have you never heard a little girl scream? It's not the same as the sound of a little boy. I disagree, all little humans learn how to make that piercing scream often attributed to little girls. Little boys will likely do it less as they begin to be socialized and thus wedged into gender roles, but they definitely do "scream like little girls".

> I disagree, all little humans learn how to make that piercing scream often attributed to little girls. You apparently don't actually know any little boys and girls because their screams sound nothing alike. Boys do manage a nice scream, but it doesn't sound the same, especially past the age of 3. > Little boys will likely do it less as they begin to be socialized and thus wedged into gender roles Again with this no…

I do. The falsetto scream is indistinguishable up until the kids hit puberty. Boys don't use their falsetto as much as they socialize with other boys.

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides for 80 Years (2012)

#90

Post by jusben1369 »

mania wrote: post #87
jusben1369 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two ways to interpret this. One is the very literal level. Comparing a boys scream to a girls scream. This is what you and many others in this thread do. Is there anything unique about a little boy's scream over a little girl's scream? They're of slightly different pitches but there's hardly any real "difference" that makes one unique and in need of protection from being "washed away". So then you take a st…

So you say girls aren't more scared of rats than boys? They don't scream louder and longer when looking at a little mouse in the corner? They are all macho in your delusional worldview, right?

Can you think of any scientific reason to defend why that would be the case Mania? If not then it's not nature it's nurture. Which is my point. And somewhat ironic you used the term "macho" wouldn't ya say? :)
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