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When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Re: When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Post by Terr_ »

Kalium wrote: post #6
jdbernard wrote: post #3

I hate to post the "I agree" comment, but this article is too valuable in my opinion to just leave with no comment so here are a couple of quotes that put some of my feelings into words very accurately: Both groups [geek feminists and brogrammers] are latecomers barging in on a cultural space that was once a respite for us, and we don’t appreciate either group bringing its cultural conflicts into our space in a way t…

Unfortunately, it seems that respecting other subcultures and believing you have the one true just culture are incompatible beliefs.

"Respecting" a belief or believer is not the same thing as "agreeing" with that belief, even if they do tend to correlate.

Re: When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Post by Kalium »

Terr_ wrote: post #11
Kalium wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, it seems that respecting other subcultures and believing you have the one true just culture are incompatible beliefs.

"Respecting" a belief or believer is not the same thing as "agreeing" with that belief, even if they do tend to correlate.

Very true! That said, I tend to think that respecting a culture means understanding that it exists and not attempting to invade its spaces.

Re: When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Post by noonespecial »

I’m thrilled to bits that every day the power to translate pure thought into actions that ripple across the world merely by the virtue of being phrased correctly draws nearer and nearer to the hands of every person alive.

Whatever else this article brings, that was just beautiful. I'm shamelessly borrowing that for daily use.

Re: When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Post by mynameishere »

noonespecial wrote: post #13

I’m thrilled to bits that every day the power to translate pure thought into actions that ripple across the world merely by the virtue of being phrased correctly draws nearer and nearer to the hands of every person alive. Whatever else this article brings, that was just beautiful. I'm shamelessly borrowing that for daily use.

I know, right? You could launch that armada of prepositional phrases into just about any conversation.

Re: When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Post by fr0styMatt2 »

Yhippa wrote: post #15

The brogrammers and geek feminists won. There's no turning back.

How does calling people 'brogrammers' in a derogatory sense make us any different than the supposed 'cool kids' that rejected us? Shouldn't we strive to be better than that?

(not saying that you are using the term 'brogrammer' like that, just posing a more general question).

Re: When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Post by cinquemb »

>"At a company the size of Google or even GitHub, you can expect to find as many varieties of cliques…"

>"Some hackers even argue for greater exclusivity, and curiously enough, many of those who do are also members of minority-by-birth groups. (I’d link to examples, but being caught between a minority-by-choice group and a minority-by-birth group means being extra careful about expressing unpopular opinions where anyone unsympathetic can hear you.)"

This reminded me recently when I was contacted by a Facebook engineering manager for some "Black Engineers in Tech" BS for some less than marginally interesting projects in the scheme of things. Do companies really have to resort to this type of pandering to attract "talent"?

I mean, after from C&D'ing a "hacker-esque" project I was working on (mining public urls on "open" graph and crowd-sourcing info about everyone, no log-in for engagement, public by default [opposite of facebook walled garden "connect the world" mantra]), suspending my account indefinitely, yet digging through their treasure trove of info to boost "Diversity" apparently so I can have the opportunity to become apart of the "Black" clique at FB NYC?

Yeah… fuck that.

Re: When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Post by mistermann »

fr0styMatt2 wrote: post #16
Yhippa wrote: post #15

The brogrammers and geek feminists won. There's no turning back.

How does calling people 'brogrammers' in a derogatory sense make us any different than the supposed 'cool kids' that rejected us? Shouldn't we strive to be better than that? (not saying that you are using the term 'brogrammer' like that, just posing a more general question).

Brogrammer is perhaps used for efficiency, so you don't have to write a 10 page screed as we just read (which was excellent by the way).

I don't think there's any way to say it in a non-derogatory way if the central message is derogatory. The article seemed to be saying, we have a culture, and if you people infiltrate it, there is a good chance you will ruin it. I happen to agree with him.

Re: When Nerds Collide (2014)

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Post by jschwartzi »

noonespecial wrote: post #13

I’m thrilled to bits that every day the power to translate pure thought into actions that ripple across the world merely by the virtue of being phrased correctly draws nearer and nearer to the hands of every person alive. Whatever else this article brings, that was just beautiful. I'm shamelessly borrowing that for daily use.

This is the sentiment that gets me out of bed and into work every day.
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