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Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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Re: Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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This is interesting because it's the first time I've heard about 21 and they have raised $116 million pre-launch. Given that companies who've raised an order of magnitude less are all over the news, it's surprising they have been so stealth.

I'm also still not clear what 21 does. According to the article they are building out the blockchain into the internet of things (IoT). That sounds really vague. Plus, the article mentions a contractual twist - like smart lawyer contracts. These two things don't seem to obviously go together.

Re: Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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Are there ways to reduce the size of the block chain? Or will we get to the point where only large service providers can hold the block chain?

I ask because I was maintaining my own wallet for awhile but stopped because the block chain database was getting unwieldy - it would take up to a week to resync if I ever turned my wallet software off for a significant amount of time.

You know though... I actually don't care. Bitcoin was an interesting curiosity and useful in some situations (transferring money to people in rural areas of 3rd world countries, for example), but it's slow (up to 15 minutes for the transaction to be approved?), has high fees in its transactions and even higher to convert from/to cash, it's unwieldy...

To use it from consumer devices would require someone else managing the wallet, and at that point I'll instead just use cash or a credit card.

Re: Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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Are there ways to reduce the size of the block chain? Or will we get to the point where only large service providers can hold the block chain? I ask because I was maintaining my own wallet for awhile but stopped because the block chain database was getting unwieldy - it would take up to a week to resync if I ever turned my wallet software off for a significant amount of time. You know though... I actually don't care.…

SPV or ultimate blockchain compression can reduce storage requirements significantly.

Re: Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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What percentage of that funding is just buying and holding Bitcoins? Many of these large rounds have that business model baked into the amount they raise. There's much more profit to be had from buying at current prices and selling at a consumer inflection point than there is in actually building a Bitcoin service.

Re: Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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Are there ways to reduce the size of the block chain? Or will we get to the point where only large service providers can hold the block chain? I ask because I was maintaining my own wallet for awhile but stopped because the block chain database was getting unwieldy - it would take up to a week to resync if I ever turned my wallet software off for a significant amount of time. You know though... I actually don't care.…

Blockchain pruning would drastically reduce the size and it could be implemented relatively easily but it's not on the standard client(or any other afaik). You only need to keep unspent transactions (after you're confident a block reorganisation wouldn't go as deep as the block where you're pruning old tx).

Re: Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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Are there ways to reduce the size of the block chain? Or will we get to the point where only large service providers can hold the block chain? I ask because I was maintaining my own wallet for awhile but stopped because the block chain database was getting unwieldy - it would take up to a week to resync if I ever turned my wallet software off for a significant amount of time. You know though... I actually don't care.…

I believe there are proposals to allow pruning the blockchain, but I'm not 100% sure on the details.

To guarantee a transaction goes through you have to wait for it to be confirmed, but most transactions really aren't that important/high risk, so beyond checking that the address does actually have the money, it's instantaneous. Many payment processors (I know Bitpay has this option) actually take the 0 confirmation transaction risk, allowing customers to pay instantly.

Transaction fees are not high, with a typical fee of .0001 bitcoin (3 cents), which is small compared to credit card fees. While work needs to be done converting to/from cash, actually using bitcoin (that you already have) to buy things is a better experience than using credit cards. You simply grab your phone, scan the QR code, and hit send. This is much better than entering your credit card for the thousandth time on another website, or being redirected to paypal, entering your password, and choosing your preferred payment option for the thousandth time (stop asking me to use Paypal Credit!).

Using an Android wallet such as Mycelium, or a desktop wallet like Electrum doesn't require you to download the entire blockchain, and although that comes at the cost of some trust, I personally don't find that problematic.

Basically, bitcoin has some problems, but I think some of your criticisms are no longer applicable to most everyday usage of it.

Re: Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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This is interesting because it's the first time I've heard about 21 and they have raised $116 million pre-launch. Given that companies who've raised an order of magnitude less are all over the news, it's surprising they have been so stealth. I'm also still not clear what 21 does. According to the article they are building out the blockchain into the internet of things (IoT). That sounds really vague. Plus, the articl…

It sounds like some variant of the hardware Bitcoin bank idea that has been floating around the valley.

The rough sketch of the idea is

-Hardware device runs a full security bitcoin node in your house -Provides a multisig for your mobile wallet. -Automatically moves savings into cold storage -Provides a basic environment for implementing crypto banking features

Re: Secretive Bitcoin Startup 21 Reveals Record Funds, Hints at Mass Consumer Play

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This is interesting because it's the first time I've heard about 21 and they have raised $116 million pre-launch. Given that companies who've raised an order of magnitude less are all over the news, it's surprising they have been so stealth. I'm also still not clear what 21 does. According to the article they are building out the blockchain into the internet of things (IoT). That sounds really vague. Plus, the articl…

The blockchain ends up being useful as a public secure ledger, so perhaps it's going to be used in that way somehow.

Otherwise, I don't know of many companies who've actually worked into the space of the less well-known features of bitcoins that can be used via the embedded pseudo-language.

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