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The Price of Oil Is About to Blow a Hole in Corporate Accounting

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Re: The Price of Oil Is About to Blow a Hole in Corporate Accounting

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Even if a perfect battery was introduced tomorrow it would still take at least 10 years before it made a serious dent in the car market. The Prius was introduced in the US in 2000 and it took about 11 years for them to sell the first million.[1] The vast majority of people don't buy a brand new car more than once or twice in their life. They simply don't have the money. The rest of the people buy a car used and drive…

> The vast majority of people don't buy a brand new car more than once or twice in their life. The adage has been that "Americans buy, on average, a new car or truck every 3 or 4 years."[1] That's like a dozen new cars in a lifetime. I was going to call bravo sierra on your assertion, but I decided to try a back-of-the-envelope calculation to check the plausibility: Roughly 10 million cars are sold each year in the U…

Thanks for the backup. :)

I think the numbers are heavily skewed by people who do buy those new cars every few years.

Also, I think the car rental companies - who would have massive annual turnover of vehicles - further skews the average[1]. The top 4 companies have ~2M vehicles and if they never have a car more than 3 years old (probably more like 2 years), then they buy ~700k/year or 7% of that 10M in annual new car sales.

1 - http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/07/13/surprising-...

Re: The Price of Oil Is About to Blow a Hole in Corporate Accounting

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Can you help me get my head around the USD chart? In my head it only makes sense to value one currency vs another (i.e. the USD to GBP exchange rate) so seeing one chart which simply plots "USD" over time is a bit tough to wrap my head around.

that chart most likely comes from this calculation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Dollar_Index

Thanks. So a weighted index of USD vs a handful of other currencies - that's a useful measurement I never really knew existed.

Re: The Price of Oil Is About to Blow a Hole in Corporate Accounting

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Public service message from someone who went down this road before: it's worth studying up on the futures market. In particular, there's a nasty little thing called "contango" that effectively makes your investment worth less and less every month that you hold it and oil prices don't go up. Think of it as a rental fee for the tanks where they keep the oil held by investors. The upshot is that you can lose money on oi…

With all due respect, you're jumbling a bunch of parameters w.r.t. contango, and its implications. Contango structure can exceed cost of carry even if crude oil prices stay flat. There are lots of dynamics, which you allude to.

Fully agree -- it's more complicated than that, more than can be explained in a HN comment. I think you agree with my main point, which is that buying an oil ETF (or usually actually an ETN) doesn't mean your money will track the spot price of crude.

Re: The Price of Oil Is About to Blow a Hole in Corporate Accounting

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I bought some shares in an oil ETF a fews weeks ago my investment rationale was: 1. If the price stays low I win because my gas will be cheaper (essentially hedging my gas costs). If the price rises my cost at the pump will increase but will be offset some by gains on the ETF. 2. Geopolitical flares up typically drive oil prices higher. Low oil prices destabilize a lot of countries and increase the probability of the…

Pardon what may sound as a dumb question..

If I understand this correctly, as first quarter and 2nd quarter reports come out, oil-related firms will drop in share value assuming oil prices now are stagnant?

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