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Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Re: Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Post by jessaustin »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #40
jessaustin wrote: post #39

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The cops and the doctors. I'm glad some of them are doing the right thing now, but what the hell took so long? USA has been drug-war-crazy since the 1970s, and pot had been prohibited in slightly saner fashion much longer than that. Millions of lives have been destroyed by our drug prohibition, both here and abroad. This is a slightly rhetorical question. Of course there were incentives at work. Few medical researche…

It had to start with the doctors, so it didn't start moving till the research led there. Police are very risk-averse. Even if they see drug policy ruining lives, they will assume those drugs are very dangerous and have no benefits unless they have it on very good authority otherwise and doctors are the only people with the authority on that subject to really convince police. Also, police are one of the few groups wit…

It's difficult to credit that anyone who has been around marijuana (or for that matter, cocaine or hallucinogen) users for any length of time (which many cops have) would truly consider those substances more "dangerous" than alcohol. The direct analogy with alcohol prohibition would prompt introspection from any thoughtful person.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Post by [deleted] »

300bps wrote: post #25
downandout wrote: post #23

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>" They are basing their new argument on "fresh evidence". To be successful, an appeal must be based on a legal argument and not on new evidence. You are confusing an appeal with a motion for a new trial. New evidence cannot be heard by any federal appellate court. However, a motion for a new trial (which is what they filed here) is filed with the district court that heard the case, and can include new evidence as a…

You are confusing an appeal with a motion for a new trial I must have worded it poorly because you are confusing two different points that I made. The first point was: Most attorneys find it is more effective to present evidence during a trial than after their client has been convicted. Hopefully you don't find fault with that statement. The second point I was making was in response to rayiner stating that arguments…

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Re: Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Post by chisleu »

nemo wrote: post #35
chisleu wrote: post #29

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No, but they were threatening his life...

They were threatening his business, not his life.

Threatening to turn his information over to the feds = threatening his life.

Do I need to remind you that he is sitting in a rape room right now and will be for 30 years?

Re: Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Post by FireBeyond »

chisleu wrote: post #43
nemo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were threatening his business, not his life.

Threatening to turn his information over to the feds = threatening his life. Do I need to remind you that he is sitting in a rape room right now and will be for 30 years?

"Sitting in a rape room" - careful, your bias is showing.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Post by Touche »

chisleu wrote: post #43
nemo wrote: post #35

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They were threatening his business, not his life.

Threatening to turn his information over to the feds = threatening his life. Do I need to remind you that he is sitting in a rape room right now and will be for 30 years?

> Threatening to turn his information over to the feds = threatening his life.

Snitches get stitches, huh.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Post by bdcravens »

chisleu wrote: post #8
simplicio wrote: post #4

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Ulbricht seems likely to do a lot more time than Mitnick ever did. By the time he gets out, I doubt most people will remember who he was.

It depends. I see him as a freedom fighter on the front lines. I will always remember his sacrifices. I guess it depends on your world view.

Freedom fighter? Maybe after he got caught. Before that he was a capitalist. (assuming he's DPR, which is says he's not ... in which case he's just a falsely accused nobody)

Re: Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Post by chisleu »

FireBeyond wrote: post #44
chisleu wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Threatening to turn his information over to the feds = threatening his life. Do I need to remind you that he is sitting in a rape room right now and will be for 30 years?

"Sitting in a rape room" - careful, your bias is showing.

It isn't biased. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e...

Re: Ross Ulbricht Calls for New Trial, Alleging Feds Hacked Tor

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Post by chisleu »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #37
chisleu wrote: post #28

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I haven't read anything about casual murders over drug turf. I have read about government entrapping him by threatening to release information about vendors (IE, threatening violence to get out of a debt.) No, I don't see that as murder. I see it as self defense.

He tried to get six murders for hire: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/02/the-hitman-scam-d... >about government entrapping him Quote from your hero while setting up a hit on FriendlyChemist: "Don't want to be a pain here, but the price seems high. Not long ago, I had a clean hit done for $80k. " and "Thank you R&W. I've only ever commissioned the one other hit, so I'm still learning this market. " Everyone is…

"Casual murders over drug turf"

Still see no evidence of that.

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