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Re: The new MacBook

#31

Seriously? Couldn't they have put _two_ ports in it so you can plug something in while it's being charged without lugging around a usb hub?

With that battery life, I don't suspect I'll ever be charging it while using it - I'll only ever charge it while I'm asleep.

Re: The new MacBook

#32
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this the end of Thunderbolt as well?

Thunderbolt runs over USB-C, as well as DisplayPort. USB 3.1 features re-configurable lines that can negotiate almost any protocol. [1] [2] [1] http://www.anandtech.com/show/8558/displayport-alternate-mod... [2] http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/usb-power-delivery-v20-an...

I've not read those docs (sorry) but what if I want to run DisplayPort for my monitor and simultaneously plug in an external USB drive? Can a single line switch between protocols?

Re: The new MacBook

#34
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Say what you will about the logic behind a single port for everything (as far as I know this is the first computer to do this so there's nothing to compare it to), this Air is a pretty drastic change from what we're all used to when it comes to laptops. We're basically hitting the limits of thinness at this point right?

> We're basically hitting the limits of thinness at this point right? And for what? A razor thin laptop with just one port seems to be really pushing towards one extreme side of the function/form continuum. I thought giving up ethernet was bad enough with the Retina Macbooks. It's very pretty, but it seems more like a toy than a serious computer. Maybe that's what Apple wants, but that's never something I would have…

However, it is what was said about the first generation of Macbook Airs. Second generation of that got more ports.

Wonder if history will repeat itself here.

Re: The new MacBook

#35
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Noticed the changed the headline? The Air still exists and is NOT replaced by this. I believe it's staying because it's non-retina, but I may be wrong. Either way, they seem to have made a call a bit too early when posting this.

That's not an uncommon practice. I believe there was a non-Retina Macbook Pro in the product line for quite a while after the introduction of the Retina Macbook Pro.

Re: The new MacBook

#36
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USB-C as the "one connector to rule them all" is the big news. That's the end of MagSafe and the exploding era of USB-C docking stations that work for multiple devices. I think we'll start to see an era of expandable computing coming up soon: USB-C is a perfect connector to push your data and state into a larger desktop experience. Why not carry around your laptop in tablet form when you are mobile? [1] [1] https://g…

I am not too happy about that. HP already has USB charger for laptop, and it had bunch of problems, including fire hazard. That was just ARM chromebook, not sure how it will on 'full' mac. EDIT: there are physical limitations how electric current is transferred. USB contacts do not have good shape and will probably deteriorate more quickly.

In the old days, HP had a high standard of quality. More recently, almost coinciding with the introduction of inkjet printers, HP quality standards have slipped to a new dismal low. I'm not surprised to hear of fires.

Re: The new MacBook

#37
No (standard) USB port. Weird. I wonder if it'll ship with a USB cable?

To be honest, the one USB device that I use the most is my mouse, and I suppose Apple expects me to get a wireless one, and that is fine. But what about stuff like USB drives? I am not looking forward to not being able to just give somebody a file on a USB drive because they forgot their OTG cable.

Re: The new MacBook

#38
post #30

I am bit disappointed. Dell has similar sized laptop, with bigger display, smaller bezel and higher resolution. http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd

Well. 25% heavier.

Edit: which is not to say that the new MacBook is better; I'm just saying there are tradeoffs here. They both look pretty good to me.

Re: The new MacBook

#39
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thunderbolt runs over USB-C, as well as DisplayPort. USB 3.1 features re-configurable lines that can negotiate almost any protocol. [1] [2] [1] http://www.anandtech.com/show/8558/displayport-alternate-mod... [2] http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/usb-power-delivery-v20-an...

I've not read those docs (sorry) but what if I want to run DisplayPort for my monitor and simultaneously plug in an external USB drive? Can a single line switch between protocols?

Yes you can. IIRC you can run USB3.x-speed devices and one alt-mode over a single line.

Re: The new MacBook

#40

Are there things here where Apple is significantly further ahead than the competition? Innovating on keyboards, trackpad, battery life, power usage and form factor - there just seem to be innovating simultaneously on more levels than the competition. Another thing - that vibrating trackpad gizmo feels like a couple of innovations away from true touch feedback on an iPhone? Any thoughts?

Apple's role here is often to be more opinionated, or braver, than others. They were the first to adopt USB, first to stop shipping floppy drives, first to ditch optical drives, first to make high-DPI ('retina') displays a standard feature... they are willing to be the one who goes out there and says 'we all know this is where things are going - so let's quit pussy-footing around and just do it'.

This new MacBook announcement was just item after item of taking things to the next logical step, and it's setting a new bar which every other laptop manufacturer out there will now have to meet.

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