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I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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Re: I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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Kids can impress you when you least expect it.

My daughter wrote this http://fingswotidun.com/cruft/MelissaStory.txt While she was on a trip. When she got back she promptly forgot all about it which drives me mad, I really wanted to find out where it was going. She was 10 at the time.

On the other hand I once gave her a mechanical typewriter and later found http://fingswotidun.com/cruft/TypingByMelissa.jpg

Re: I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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This is a bit tangential to the article, but the first paragraph stuck out to me. For a 12-year-old girl, playing games on an iPhone is pretty regular behavior. Almost all of my friends have game apps on their phones, and we’ll spend sleepovers playing side by side. Back in my day, I was playing video games all the time, hacking them with debug cheats and GameShark. This was universally called a waste of my time by e…

It's still seen as a waste of time, I think. Just has finally been accepted as normal. And while you may have been firing up hex editors, that probably wasn't the norm.

YOu are right, though, that the computer games of the nineties offered a lot more hackability than iPhone apps. ZZT was an introduction to OOP for many kids, Red Alert had rules.ini that defined the stats for each unit, and Duke3D had configuration files in C. Mods and "Total Conversions" were a things. That ecosystem isn't just unavailable in mobile games, but would probably be hated by many companies who want full control over their product.

So two things we should do: write more moddable games, include defaults that don't assume we're all male (or white, for that matter.

Re: I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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I'd like to make a romhack of the Legend of Zelda where you can play as Zelda. It should be a piece of cake, once someone draws the sprites.

Anyone good at drawing sprites who wants to lend a hand?

Edit: Looks like someone beat me to it!

http://kennastuff.blogspot.com/2013/03/zelda-starring-zelda-...

Re: I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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Maybe they sell Girl characters because girls are willing to pay for them, and boys aren't?

Or because girls are willing to play as boys, and then pay to play as a girl?

But boys are unwilling to even play as a girl?

I prefer to look for rational (for example economic) reasons for things, and not assume everything is because of bias.

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Maybe they sell Girl characters because girls are willing to pay for them, and boys aren't? Or because girls are willing to play as boys, and then pay to play as a girl? But boys are unwilling to even play as a girl? I prefer to look for rational (for example economic) reasons for things, and not assume everything is because of bias.

The existence of bias isn't an "irrational" thing to believe in; in fact it's provable through science, and has been in an innumerable amount of cases (websearch "bias study"; if you want, I have access to university resources where I can give you full studies PDFs.)

Re: I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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Maybe they sell Girl characters because girls are willing to pay for them, and boys aren't? Or because girls are willing to play as boys, and then pay to play as a girl? But boys are unwilling to even play as a girl? I prefer to look for rational (for example economic) reasons for things, and not assume everything is because of bias.

Even if that's true, that's a lousy way to make a game (they should be fun first, right?).

I know first hand this sucks. I have a daughter who just a couple days ago had me to download the Oz Temple Run game. She was very disappointed that the main character was a boy, that only 1 of 4 available characters was a girl, and that the girl was the hardest to unlock. We aren't spending running on virtual currency, so odds she'll never get to play the game as a girl.

Re: I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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Maybe they sell Girl characters because girls are willing to pay for them, and boys aren't? Or because girls are willing to play as boys, and then pay to play as a girl? But boys are unwilling to even play as a girl? I prefer to look for rational (for example economic) reasons for things, and not assume everything is because of bias.

Perhaps at the initial stage of analysis this situation is not "because of bias", but don't stop thinking after just one thought. Why are boys like that? (Ignoring the exception that would seem to have been made for Lara Croft.) Why are girls like that? Do you really think it's biology, or is there perhaps some cultural reason why one group of children would be somewhat comfortable undermining their identity while a different group cannot imagine doing so?

Re: I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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The comments critiquing her research make me so sad. I don't think anyone wouldn't agree with her basic, essential point; Many, many more games have only a default male character.

It is interesting that often we don't see others' points of view until they're put in front of us. My entire life, I've played games with male defaults and never noticed the lack of females. Only when my 8 year-old girl said, "Why can't I play a girl?" did I realize it was an issue. Yikes!

Re: I’m a 12-year-old girl. Why don’t the characters in my apps look like me?

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This is definitely a good to remind everyone about what girlhood entails in the Western/English-speaking world. First some articles on games and then some general articles:

Games for Girls? - http://thehussingtonpost.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/games-for-gi...

Little girls deserve better than to be told to make themselves sexy - http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/jan...

Girls, Boys, Feminism, Toys: Deborah Siegel and Rebecca Hains Discuss - http://thesocietypages.org/girlwpen/2014/01/14/girls-boys-fe...

Hers; The Smurfette Principle - http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/07/magazine/hers-the-smurfett...

What it’s like being a teen girl - http://web.archive.org/web/20140820073431/http://sodisarming...

teenage girls: "...they haven’t been living, they’ve been performing." - http://www.metafilter.com/121190/teenage-girls-they-havent-b...

‘I’m not a pilot, I’m a pilot’s wife,’ says 3 yr old girl - http://reelgirl.com/2013/11/im-not-a-pilot-im-a-pilots-wife-...

Sexism 'is daily reality' for girls - http://www.bbc.com/news/education-25138455

Womanhood, girlhood and shared exclusion - http://glosswatch.com/2013/12/16/womanhood-girlhood-and-shar...

“Is my son smart?” “Is my daughter skinny?” Google Searches Reveal Parents’ Gender Biases http://rebeccahains.wordpress.com/2014/01/20/is-my-son-smart...

What Do Little Girls Really Learn from “Career” Barbies? - http://peggyorenstein.com/blog/what-do-little-girls-really-l...

Report: Many girls view sexual assault as normal behavior - http://www.salon.com/2014/04/14/report_many_girls_view_sexua...

Cosmetic surgery and teenagers – a disaster waiting to happen - http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/apr...

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