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Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by mcmancini »

chris_wot wrote: post #120
mcmancini wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you help me to understand victim blaming? Is it victim blaming to say someone was exercising poor risk management? I think of taking precautions online as being like defensive driving (or any kind of risk management really). If Alice gets sideswiped on the highway because Bob was on his cell phone and didn't check his blind spot, Bob maybe gets charged with failure to maintain the lane or something like that. Doe…

That's a terrible analogy. Firstly, that analogy is ridiculous: Alice doesn't necessarily see that Bob is on his cell phone, she's concentrating on the road and cars around her - not looking intently into the car next to her! In fact, being in a blind spot means that it's literally impossible for Alice to see that Bob is on his phone. So the answer is no, she doesn't bear any responsibility at all. Secondly, you shou…

Now I'm really confused. You're saying that if Alice is in Bob's blind spot, it is impossible for Alice to see Bob on his phone? Are we talking about the same blind spot?

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by reitanqild »

chris_wot wrote: post #134
lake99 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite the opposite, Zoe Quinn herself has been discovered to have played a role in SWATing her critics [1]. Incidentally, KotakuInAction has been featured elsewhere today [2]. I agree with your last sentence. [1] http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2015/01/gamergate-swatting... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditoftheday/comments/2yb80x/m...

Oh, go away! These links are hardly credible.

It very much seems like KiA is subbreddit of the day.

If you have reason to believe otherwise, please bring the links. ;-)

(Now, if you don't mind, take a minute to consider what you have just said in your last comments.)

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by reitanqild »

chris_wot wrote: post #138
lake99 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As opposed to the credible links you have provided?

I need to provide credible links to prove that someone didn't do something?

Yep. If KiA isn't Subreddit of the day that should be easy to prove.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by mcmancini »

ScottBurson wrote: post #125
mcmancini wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you help me to understand victim blaming? Is it victim blaming to say someone was exercising poor risk management? I think of taking precautions online as being like defensive driving (or any kind of risk management really). If Alice gets sideswiped on the highway because Bob was on his cell phone and didn't check his blind spot, Bob maybe gets charged with failure to maintain the lane or something like that. Doe…

> Is it victim blaming to say someone was exercising poor risk management? This is a delicate issue. The answer to your question has to be: No, not per se ... However there are some other things to keep in mind: () If one suggests that the victim's poor risk management absolves the perpetrator of responsibility in the slightest degree, then one is definitely blaming the victim. () Sometimes that subtext -- that the p…

Thanks for a thoughtful response.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by reitanqild »

maxerickson wrote: post #127
reitanqild wrote: post #34

And here folks I guess we have a real case of harassment. I think there is a line to be drawn somewhere between here and pycon (two men talking privately about something that could be understood as offensive). That said I am surprised about two things: * People trying to argue that this should not be punished because everyone would do if they were safe from repercussions. I strongly believe that a big chunk of the au…

Adria Richards really was harassed, by people that were extremely angered by something that should have been easily dismissed as a mistake. She got all sorts of nasty shit on twitter, threats, the whole works. I don't think her initial reaction was a good one, but it certainly didn't justify all the stuff that followed. Her apparent pattern of reacting loudly to small offenses ( https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/…

Disclaimer: Not defending threatening her. Definitely defending SendGrid for firing her though.

> by people that were extremely angered by something that should have been easily dismissed as a mistake.

It was a pretty big mistake on her part, going on for days and as far as I am aware she never apologized.

> Her apparent pattern of reacting loudly to small offenses ... also isn't something to become angry and outraged over.

Also not when it costs two people their jobs?

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by chris_wot »

mcmancini wrote: post #141
chris_wot wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a terrible analogy. Firstly, that analogy is ridiculous: Alice doesn't necessarily see that Bob is on his cell phone, she's concentrating on the road and cars around her - not looking intently into the car next to her! In fact, being in a blind spot means that it's literally impossible for Alice to see that Bob is on his phone. So the answer is no, she doesn't bear any responsibility at all. Secondly, you shou…

Now I'm really confused. You're saying that if Alice is in Bob's blind spot, it is impossible for Alice to see Bob on his phone? Are we talking about the same blind spot?

I probably overstate that point, but it is less likely you can see they are on the phone. My point still stands - it's not the responsibility of the driver to peer into the car next to them to see their behaviour. In fact, that's downright dangerous.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by SamReidHughes »

chris_wot wrote: post #136
SamReidHughes wrote: post #135

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Amid comments that imply she wants the(ir) D, that comment says she'll be slutting around with him, first.

Completely irrelevant. If you told me that my daughter was "slutting around", then I'd assume she was being forced. I'd be even more likely to consider you a rapist.

What makes something a threat or not is not the conclusions the recipient of the message jumps to.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by InclinedPlane »

reitanqild wrote: post #34

And here folks I guess we have a real case of harassment. I think there is a line to be drawn somewhere between here and pycon (two men talking privately about something that could be understood as offensive). That said I am surprised about two things: * People trying to argue that this should not be punished because everyone would do if they were safe from repercussions. I strongly believe that a big chunk of the au…

> "I strongly believe that a big chunk of the audience here would not steal, kill etc without reason even if they were sure not to get caught."

At one data entry job I had I got paid for piece work, instead of by the hour. One time they screwed up the math and overpaid me, by a lot (nearly a whole paycheck worth). It took a lot to convince the people in charge that they'd fucked up and needed to take the money back.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by maxerickson »

reitanqild wrote: post #145
maxerickson wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adria Richards really was harassed, by people that were extremely angered by something that should have been easily dismissed as a mistake. She got all sorts of nasty shit on twitter, threats, the whole works. I don't think her initial reaction was a good one, but it certainly didn't justify all the stuff that followed. Her apparent pattern of reacting loudly to small offenses ( https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/…

Disclaimer: Not defending threatening her. Definitely defending SendGrid for firing her though. > by people that were extremely angered by something that should have been easily dismissed as a mistake. It was a pretty big mistake on her part, going on for days and as far as I am aware she never apologized. > Her apparent pattern of reacting loudly to small offenses ... also isn't something to become angry and outrage…

I don't accept the premise that she cost Hank his job.

Conveniently, my argument is that the incident itself didn't deserve all the negative attention it got (it should have mostly been ignored), and in the absence of all that negative attention, Hank probably would not have lost his job.

Also, my point was to respond to the comparison you made:

And here folks I guess we have a real case of harassment.

I think there is a line to be drawn somewhere between here and pycon (two men talking privately about something that could be understood as offensive).

There's very little denouncement of the dongle joke. There's wide agreement that it wasn't outrageous. It wasn't the remarkable thing about the incident, merely the first thing that happened. Yet you've characterized 'pycon' as being on the other side of some line that defines real harassment.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by EpicEng »

pmorici wrote: post #30

Too bad he doesn't go into how he managed to track the 9 people down who he called out. Was he able to do it because he is a famous baseball player and has the resources and connections to make it happen or is it something any normal person on the street can do to stand up for themselves?

I heard him on Dan Patrick a day or two later. He said that he used nothing more than Google to find these people (correlating Twitter handle to real name).
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