Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls • Hacker News Board

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by reitanqild » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 5:50 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #66

reitanqild wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we stop dragging gamergate into this? (Or might I suggest you read up on KotakuInAction on reddit and tell me how it is anywhere borderline close to this?)

KotakuInAction is one of the major GamerGate organizing sites – that's like telling someone to go to the Scientologist Temple for opinions on Dianetics. … and, yes, it's rather relevant: GamerGate started with a bunch of people on 4chan attacking a stranger on social media at the behest of her ex-boyfriend but it escalated quickly to coordinated harassment on a bunch of different forms of electronic media and attempt…

> KotakuInAction is one of the major GamerGate organizing sites – that's like telling someone to go to the Scientologist Temple for opinions on Dianetics.

The ideaisn't too bad in this particular case when the question is "what do gamergaters write?" : )

> repeated things widely and loudly enough that other people fell for the cover story and escalated it further.

this reminds me of someone else.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by eveningcoffee » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 5:52 PM UTC

jimworm wrote: post #60

Famous people leach fame into others by interacting with them. The easiest way to force someone to interact with you is to hit them somewhere vulnerable. Mr Schilling either wasn't aware of his vulnerability or hoped that it wouldn't be exploited. When it did get exploited, he didn't try to hide it, leaving a gaping wound for even more famewhores to leech fame from him. It worked, because I saw their tweets and I'm n…

No, we should not live in the world where any kind of rape threat is tolerable. Period.

This, or threat of murder or serious injury should be not acceptable in any form.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by eveningcoffee » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 5:55 PM UTC

benihana wrote: post #27

junto wrote: post #2

People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Employers should be able to see the kinds of people they are employing or about to employ. As a father myself, this kind of behaviour makes me sick and I cannot understand people who feel they need to defend these kinds of sick comments.

> People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Ridiculous. Maybe we should prosecute people who talk about overthrowing the government on twitter with treason - they're threats! And safety is important! These threats on the internet aren't acceptable, but neither is your reaction to them. There is a vast difference between threatening…

No, we should not live in the world where any kind of rape threat is tolerable. Period.

This, or threat of murder or serious injury should be not acceptable in any form.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by eveningcoffee » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 5:56 PM UTC

appleflaxen wrote: post #22

junto wrote: post #2

People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Employers should be able to see the kinds of people they are employing or about to employ. As a father myself, this kind of behaviour makes me sick and I cannot understand people who feel they need to defend these kinds of sick comments.

Sexual criminals? really? for words on twitter? There is no question that this kind of behavior is repugnant, but should it really be illegal? The tweets I read are abhorrent, but hardly credible threats. To me, the best kind of sanction for this is exactly what's happening: social shaming and exclusion. But it falls quite a bit short of something that requires legal involvement.

Yes, for words on twitter. We should not live in the world where any kind of rape threat is tolerable. Period.

This, or threat of murder or serious injury should be not acceptable in any form.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 6:01 PM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #68

jimworm wrote: post #60

Famous people leach fame into others by interacting with them. The easiest way to force someone to interact with you is to hit them somewhere vulnerable. Mr Schilling either wasn't aware of his vulnerability or hoped that it wouldn't be exploited. When it did get exploited, he didn't try to hide it, leaving a gaping wound for even more famewhores to leech fame from him. It worked, because I saw their tweets and I'm n…

What would happen to someone who made comments like these about Obama's daughters?

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Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by _cudgel » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 6:01 PM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #68

jimworm wrote: post #60

Famous people leach fame into others by interacting with them. The easiest way to force someone to interact with you is to hit them somewhere vulnerable. Mr Schilling either wasn't aware of his vulnerability or hoped that it wouldn't be exploited. When it did get exploited, he didn't try to hide it, leaving a gaping wound for even more famewhores to leech fame from him. It worked, because I saw their tweets and I'm n…

What would happen to someone who made comments like these about Obama's daughters?

Predator Drone.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by lambda » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 6:03 PM UTC

tzakrajs wrote: post #90

reitanqild wrote: post #34

And here folks I guess we have a real case of harassment. I think there is a line to be drawn somewhere between here and pycon (two men talking privately about something that could be understood as offensive). That said I am surprised about two things: * People trying to argue that this should not be punished because everyone would do if they were safe from repercussions. I strongly believe that a big chunk of the au…

The incident at PyCon: Conversation interloper becomes offended on behalf of non-present female children by the contents of a conversation that she was interloping. PyCon staff of course will be sycophantic with upset guests because they hate bad press. The PyCon incident was a moment of incalculable oversensitivity and probably should just be forgotten when considering the spectrum for which you hope to draw a line…

  PyCon staff of course will be sycophantic with upset 
  guests because they hate bad press.

All the PyCon staff did was talk to the developer in question, mention that the comments had offended someone, and left it there. That's pretty much exactly what I would expect them to do. That was confirmed by the developer in question:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5412553

There were plenty of overreactions in that case; Adria Richards for choosing to publicly shame rather than either talk privately with the developers in question or simply bring it to the PyCon organizers' attention, Play Haven for choosing to fire him over such a minor incident rather than simply giving him a warning, SendGrid for choosing to fire Adria rather than try to work with her to try and bring her behavior more into line with acceptable public relations, and a large number of people on the internet for going way beyond the boundaries of civil behavior in harassing people on both sides of the debate.

But among all of those over-reactions, from all accounts, the PyCon organizers behaved eminently reasonably.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by mindslight » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 6:04 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #89

benihana wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Ridiculous. Maybe we should prosecute people who talk about overthrowing the government on twitter with treason - they're threats! And safety is important! These threats on the internet aren't acceptable, but neither is your reaction to them. There is a vast difference between threatening…

Streaking near a playground without knowing of it and threatening to rape someone's daughter are completely different things. Telling anyone that they want their daughter to bleed into their underwear because you raped them is sickening, intimidating and frankly sexual violence . Since when did this become acceptable?

It's not acceptable. This doesn't mean it needs to be illegal.

Schilling took a stand and it seems like he got decent justice as it is. Why the knee jerk reaction that more laws must be needed?

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 6:13 PM UTC

mindslight wrote: post #118

chris_wot wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Streaking near a playground without knowing of it and threatening to rape someone's daughter are completely different things. Telling anyone that they want their daughter to bleed into their underwear because you raped them is sickening, intimidating and frankly sexual violence . Since when did this become acceptable?

It's not acceptable. This doesn't mean it needs to be illegal. Schilling took a stand and it seems like he got decent justice as it is. Why the knee jerk reaction that more laws must be needed?

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Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by chris_wot » Sun, Mar 08, 2015, 6:20 PM UTC

mcmancini wrote: post #98

chris_wot wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is coming perilously close to victim blaming. When these horrible tweets are made, there's always a contingent who says that the target should ignore them. You probably should if they are completely anonymous. But if they aren't - have at 'em!

Can you help me to understand victim blaming? Is it victim blaming to say someone was exercising poor risk management? I think of taking precautions online as being like defensive driving (or any kind of risk management really). If Alice gets sideswiped on the highway because Bob was on his cell phone and didn't check his blind spot, Bob maybe gets charged with failure to maintain the lane or something like that. Doe…

That's a terrible analogy. Firstly, that analogy is ridiculous: Alice doesn't necessarily see that Bob is on his cell phone, she's concentrating on the road and cars around her - not looking intently into the car next to her! In fact, being in a blind spot means that it's literally impossible for Alice to see that Bob is on his phone. So the answer is no, she doesn't bear any responsibility at all.

Secondly, you should be able to congratulate your daughter on Twitter regardless of your status as a public person.

I can't be held responsible for your actions. Making an innocent tweet about your daughter is not something you should have to be worried about. That's chilling freedom of expression! So you can't be a proud dad because some arsehole might threaten to rape your daughter? Give me a break.