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Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by reitanqild »

foogoespop wrote: post #33
phpnode wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the same kind of deluded apologism that the gamer gate crowd uses and it is dangerous. How can anyone judge the credibility of a threat made by a stranger on the internet? A threat is a threat.

I haven't read through the tweets but what crazypyro posted aren't threats, they would be considered bullying though. Didn't the gamergate lady have actual threats on her life? I know her information was doxxed and people actually put her house in their threats.

I'm afraid yes, even if I'm one of those who suspect that there's foul play on both sides.

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Post by runn1ng »

crazypyro wrote: post #18
japhyr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not innuendos, these are threats.

Oh give me a break... the most offensive/threatening one that was posted by Kurt on his blog was: "Teach me your knuckleball technique so I can fist your daughter" You really think this is a creditable threat of violence and not someone trying to make a very, very, very poor taste joke? There are very few tweets I would even consider threats, most were just scumbags trying to get some twitter fame by making terrible…

Really? This is OK for you?

https://38pitches.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/tweets-10.jpg

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Post by javajosh »

The big message here to victims is that you are not powerless if you are threatened online. To perpetrators, you will be held accountable for your actions. "Violent threats" are not free speech, never have been.

Philosophically, I think there's a long overdue conversation to be had about non-physical harm. Our kids know how to treat cuts and bruises, or how to get help with a broken bone. But what about damage that gets caused inside? If you think about it, not only is the old "sticks and stones" mantra false, it's downright misleading. What's the worst pain you've ever experienced? Was it caused by physical pain, or words?

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Post by javajosh »

pulmo wrote: post #21
junto wrote: post #2

People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Employers should be able to see the kinds of people they are employing or about to employ. As a father myself, this kind of behaviour makes me sick and I cannot understand people who feel they need to defend these kinds of sick comments.

Yes lets ruin people's life for a tweet written in 20 seconds of mental derangement. Insane.

That's not what happened. If you read the original blog post, you'll see a sustained, violent screed directed at him and his daughter. It wasn't one tweet, it was a series of tweets over a period of many days. Did this ruin anyone's life? Doubtful. Losing your job is not the end of the world. And you know what? These are young kids. My hope is that this is a serious wake-up call for them to take adult responsibility for themselves.

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

javajosh wrote: post #43

The big message here to victims is that you are not powerless if you are threatened online. To perpetrators, you will be held accountable for your actions. "Violent threats" are not free speech, never have been. Philosophically, I think there's a long overdue conversation to be had about non-physical harm. Our kids know how to treat cuts and bruises, or how to get help with a broken bone. But what about damage that g…

"Violent threats" are not free speech, never have been.

Thankfully, this is not an absolute fact, as otherwise people (including many activists) would be routinely jailed for obvious rhetorical techniques said in jest: http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-01/43-threat...

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by brittonsmith »

crazypyro wrote: post #29
brittonsmith wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If these things were said in person, I think you would feel differently. It's easy to pass off actions that take place on the internet as being without consequence, but they can still do real damage. I think this same sense of detachment from consequences is what allows people to do things they would never do if they could see the recipient. I don't know what punishments are just, but it seems to me that returning a…

Any of these said in person, I would not feel differently. Almost all of them make some reference to a baseball comment and then try to make a joke about Kurt's daughter based on that. They are simply assholes making poor jokes. Unless Kurt didn't post the most extreme ones (e.g. someone said "I'm going to rape your daughter when she gets here"), I feel like none of them even border the line of a creditable threat. A…

You may have somewhat of a point. As I said, I'm unsure whether the commenters should be criminally punished or just as they have been already.

However, even if you would not feel differently, I don't think all of the people who said what they did would even have the nerve to say those things in person. The internet creates this imbalance where the effect of actions is felt much more by the recipient than the actor. This, at least, is not a good thing, and a slightly different context than a comedian making a tasteless joke.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by bargl »

japhyr wrote: post #20

For a fuller context, and to get a better sense of why people are taking his actions seriously, take a look at the original post Schilling wrote where he explains how ugly it got: https://38pitches.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/the-world-we-live...

Thank you for this link. I just found out about the Theta Xi Member who was doing this. I'm a member and I'll be seeking his full removal from the fraternity. It's not much but it is what I can do.

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Post by intortus »

benihana wrote: post #27
junto wrote: post #2

People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Employers should be able to see the kinds of people they are employing or about to employ. As a father myself, this kind of behaviour makes me sick and I cannot understand people who feel they need to defend these kinds of sick comments.

> People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Ridiculous. Maybe we should prosecute people who talk about overthrowing the government on twitter with treason - they're threats! And safety is important! These threats on the internet aren't acceptable, but neither is your reaction to them. There is a vast difference between threatening…

I think you're engaging in the common fallacy of dismissing things that happen on the internet as "not real." It's long past time we, as a society, grew out of such childish thinking.

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Post by pjc50 »

junto wrote: post #2

People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Employers should be able to see the kinds of people they are employing or about to employ. As a father myself, this kind of behaviour makes me sick and I cannot understand people who feel they need to defend these kinds of sick comments.

You know, there are kinds of law enforcement response between "ignore it entirely" and "destroy someone's life forever".
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