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Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by lukasm »

junto wrote: post #2

People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Employers should be able to see the kinds of people they are employing or about to employ. As a father myself, this kind of behaviour makes me sick and I cannot understand people who feel they need to defend these kinds of sick comments.

I'm afraid the result will be the same as file sharing. There was Napster which was killed by labels, then Kazza which was 10x harder to kill, then torrents which are 100x harder to kill. If they manage to kill it something new will be there.

The solution is quite simple: if you're not willing to ignore trolls, don't use this kind of social network.

You should NOT drag your family into the business, not even if PR person will tell you that it increases your brand equity.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by foogoespop »

phpnode wrote: post #24
crazypyro wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh give me a break... the most offensive/threatening one that was posted by Kurt on his blog was: "Teach me your knuckleball technique so I can fist your daughter" You really think this is a creditable threat of violence and not someone trying to make a very, very, very poor taste joke? There are very few tweets I would even consider threats, most were just scumbags trying to get some twitter fame by making terrible…

This is the same kind of deluded apologism that the gamer gate crowd uses and it is dangerous. How can anyone judge the credibility of a threat made by a stranger on the internet? A threat is a threat.

I haven't read through the tweets but what crazypyro posted aren't threats, they would be considered bullying though.

Didn't the gamergate lady have actual threats on her life? I know her information was doxxed and people actually put her house in their threats.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by reitanqild »

And here folks I guess we have a real case of harassment.

I think there is a line to be drawn somewhere between here and pycon (two men talking privately about something that could be understood as offensive).

That said I am surprised about two things:

* People trying to argue that this should not be punished because everyone would do if they were safe from repercussions. I strongly believe that a big chunk of the audience here would not steal, kill etc without reason even if they were sure not to get caught.

* People suggesting this should be in public registers etc. This story is most likely already a real problem for a few of those guys.

Side note: They are not alone. I've recently been reading several seemingly normal grown up people signed in with facebook accounts stating how they think a certain country should be nuked.

Edit: as tzakrajs points out these incidents are completely different and that was actually what I meant but I fully understand why it could be read as "a line connecting those incidents." My bad.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by crazypyro »

phpnode wrote: post #24
crazypyro wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh give me a break... the most offensive/threatening one that was posted by Kurt on his blog was: "Teach me your knuckleball technique so I can fist your daughter" You really think this is a creditable threat of violence and not someone trying to make a very, very, very poor taste joke? There are very few tweets I would even consider threats, most were just scumbags trying to get some twitter fame by making terrible…

This is the same kind of deluded apologism that the gamer gate crowd uses and it is dangerous. How can anyone judge the credibility of a threat made by a stranger on the internet? A threat is a threat.

>A threat is a threat.

I disagree completely, especially in the eyes of the law. If a comedian says he's going to kill someone, nobody is going to prosecute him. Threats have to be creditable. The tweets posted by Kurt all make some reference to his baseball career and then try to use that to make sexual jokes about his daughter. They are just terrible jokes and should be socially ostracized, but we should not be using the legal system to punish these kinds of tweets. The line is too unclear. None of the posted tweets contain any serious threat that doesn't contain some baseball innuendo, at least the ones Kurt published. There is a difference if someone said e.g. "I'm going to rape your daughter when she gets here" and that tweeter lives in the town of the school. One might be able to consider that creditable. We don't prosecute people who make others scared, we prosecute people that we believe have a creditable chance of harming another human being.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by pulmo »

senorprogrammer wrote: post #4
junto wrote: post #2

People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Employers should be able to see the kinds of people they are employing or about to employ. As a father myself, this kind of behaviour makes me sick and I cannot understand people who feel they need to defend these kinds of sick comments.

Too many people seem to misunderstand that 'freedom of speech' does not mean 'freedom from repercussions'. Pretty glad to read jobs had been lost as a result of this.

In that case the boundaries of freedom are not defined by the constitution any more, but by private parties. Therefore any constitutional stipulation of 'freedom of speech' is practically worthless. Freedom can not only be measured by the existence of a constitutional construct.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by eloff »

junto wrote: post #2

People who get caught doing this need to be prosecuted, and if convicted, labeled as sexual criminals and placed on a register. Employers should be able to see the kinds of people they are employing or about to employ. As a father myself, this kind of behaviour makes me sick and I cannot understand people who feel they need to defend these kinds of sick comments.

I'm surprised people are defending these guys. Maybe we're just so used to internet trolls, but the medium doesn't change the fact that we have laws against hate speech and threats. This kind of behavior is just not acceptable, it's a stain on the human race. It's these kinds of trolls that make life really difficult for women online. I'm glad they're learning there's consequences.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by crazypyro »

acdha wrote: post #25
crazypyro wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh give me a break... the most offensive/threatening one that was posted by Kurt on his blog was: "Teach me your knuckleball technique so I can fist your daughter" You really think this is a creditable threat of violence and not someone trying to make a very, very, very poor taste joke? There are very few tweets I would even consider threats, most were just scumbags trying to get some twitter fame by making terrible…

Here's the problem: the woman receiving these threats has no way to know whether this is some teenager on the other side of the country or the creepy guy down the block. She has to spend time thinking about each one and wondering whether to be worried or not, or whether the harasser is going to escalate from being an ass on Twitter to contacting her friends, relatives, coworkers, etc. on email/Facebook/etc. The one t…

Unfortunately, the goal of prosecuting threats is to prevent violence, not prevent people from being scared. If the chance of violence is relatively nil, (I already argued that I believe these guys are just terrible, wanna-be comedians) I don't think there is any case to be made that these guys are anything near sexual predators, just assholes and scumbags.

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by reitanqild »

phpnode wrote: post #24
crazypyro wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh give me a break... the most offensive/threatening one that was posted by Kurt on his blog was: "Teach me your knuckleball technique so I can fist your daughter" You really think this is a creditable threat of violence and not someone trying to make a very, very, very poor taste joke? There are very few tweets I would even consider threats, most were just scumbags trying to get some twitter fame by making terrible…

This is the same kind of deluded apologism that the gamer gate crowd uses and it is dangerous. How can anyone judge the credibility of a threat made by a stranger on the internet? A threat is a threat.

Can we stop dragging gamergate into this?

(Or might I suggest you read up on KotakuInAction on reddit and tell me how it is anywhere borderline close to this?)

Re: Curt Schilling Fights Back Against Daughter’s Twitter Trolls

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Post by [deleted] »

crazypyro wrote: post #29
brittonsmith wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If these things were said in person, I think you would feel differently. It's easy to pass off actions that take place on the internet as being without consequence, but they can still do real damage. I think this same sense of detachment from consequences is what allows people to do things they would never do if they could see the recipient. I don't know what punishments are just, but it seems to me that returning a…

Any of these said in person, I would not feel differently. Almost all of them make some reference to a baseball comment and then try to make a joke about Kurt's daughter based on that. They are simply assholes making poor jokes. Unless Kurt didn't post the most extreme ones (e.g. someone said "I'm going to rape your daughter when she gets here"), I feel like none of them even border the line of a creditable threat. A…

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