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To protect itself from attack, Estonia is finding ways to back up its data

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Re: To protect itself from attack, Estonia is finding ways to back up its data

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Does anyone have more knowledge about how they use the digital identities in Estonia? It sounds like everybody has a personal key that they use for signing stuff. Is that correct? How is it distributed? If so, that's the most fascinating part of the article to me.

Re: To protect itself from attack, Estonia is finding ways to back up its data

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Does anyone have more knowledge about how they use the digital identities in Estonia? It sounds like everybody has a personal key that they use for signing stuff. Is that correct? How is it distributed? If so, that's the most fascinating part of the article to me.

Please see: http://www.id.ee/index.php?id=30470

Here's the technical architecture doc: http://open-eid.github.io/

We all have either a credit-card sized chip card with our keys or a similar mobile SIM card which uses SIM applications. Using those we can do basically everything online, be it authentication to private or public services (using PIN1), or digital signatures (using PIN2).

This is also available to anyone in the world, so feel free to apply for your e-resident ID card here: https://e-estonia.com/e-residents/about/

Re: To protect itself from attack, Estonia is finding ways to back up its data

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post #3

Does anyone have more knowledge about how they use the digital identities in Estonia? It sounds like everybody has a personal key that they use for signing stuff. Is that correct? How is it distributed? If so, that's the most fascinating part of the article to me.

Please see: http://www.id.ee/index.php?id=30470 Here's the technical architecture doc: http://open-eid.github.io/ We all have either a credit-card sized chip card with our keys or a similar mobile SIM card which uses SIM applications. Using those we can do basically everything online, be it authentication to private or public services (using PIN1), or digital signatures (using PIN2). This is also available to anyone…

Is there much concern in Estonia about the potential privacy leaks? We also now have digital ID cards here in Portugal, but its use is for now fairly limited - you can use them to log in to some governmental sites (like the IRS), but no banks or other sites have adopted them.

I read on Wikipedia that some of your newspapers have started requiring it to comment on their articles, and I'd be wary of such developments, since they're so easy to justify (even to oneself) and to accept (since it makes authentication even easier than remembering password).

How do you deal with the fact that most sites would like to have your unique, cross-site identifiable key fingerprint?

Re: To protect itself from attack, Estonia is finding ways to back up its data

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Instead of government-in-exile, we can now have roaming governments, with no physical land, but with laws and services operating within a framework. It is government without a country and it puts everyone on equal footing when trading and building a reputation. Do we even need nation states any more?

Perhaps we will see the first virtual governments soon, existing solely as an interface to facilitate identification, arbitration and trust. It could be done over the internet and be a real example of virtual democracy. Looking forward to it.

Re: To protect itself from attack, Estonia is finding ways to back up its data

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Instead of government-in-exile, we can now have roaming governments, with no physical land, but with laws and services operating within a framework. It is government without a country and it puts everyone on equal footing when trading and building a reputation. Do we even need nation states any more?

Perhaps we will see the first virtual governments soon, existing solely as an interface to facilitate identification, arbitration and trust. It could be done over the internet and be a real example of virtual democracy. Looking forward to it.

Re: To protect itself from attack, Estonia is finding ways to back up its data

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Instead of government-in-exile, we can now have roaming governments, with no physical land, but with laws and services operating within a framework. It is government without a country and it puts everyone on equal footing when trading and building a reputation. Do we even need nation states any more? Perhaps we will see the first virtual governments soon, existing solely as an interface to facilitate identification,…

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Re: To protect itself from attack, Estonia is finding ways to back up its data

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Instead of government-in-exile, we can now have roaming governments, with no physical land, but with laws and services operating within a framework. It is government without a country and it puts everyone on equal footing when trading and building a reputation. Do we even need nation states any more? Perhaps we will see the first virtual governments soon, existing solely as an interface to facilitate identification,…

I have always thought that we'll have some internet courts of arbitration that would cut through the red tape of dealing with many jurisdictions. But can we have sovereign states that exist only in the internet? I doubt - maybe there will be some ingenious crypto systems that would make the systems more and more independent form the physical servers (in a way like the bitcoin system) - but eventually still the physical states will always be able to switch off the virtual states if they wanted to and if they cooperated.
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