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Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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Really, a browser is now dependent on a particular Linux kernel? For example RHEL/CentOS 7 which was released just last year with at least a 10 year support ahead of it is now obsolete according to them because it has a kernel version 3.10... Not that many people are on desktop versions of those OSes, and those that are will not use Chrome (for example, US govt loves them some Desktop RHEL systems, but Chrome is usua…

RHEL/CentOS 6 has been unsupported for quite a while by chrome before this had happened.

I assume they'll either drop support altogether or will support RHEL 7 until RHEL 8 is shipped like they did with RHEL 6.

They don't care that most people don't jump ship and upgrade RHEL as soon as a new release exists.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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Really, a browser is now dependent on a particular Linux kernel? For example RHEL/CentOS 7 which was released just last year with at least a 10 year support ahead of it is now obsolete according to them because it has a kernel version 3.10... Not that many people are on desktop versions of those OSes, and those that are will not use Chrome (for example, US govt loves them some Desktop RHEL systems, but Chrome is usua…

I don't think the Chrome dev team would want to drop earlier kernels that easily, but this option must help development a lot. From looking, it seems to be something regarding synchronising SECCOMP filters between different threads (SECCOMP is a security sandbox). I imagine this removes quite a bit of code, or fixes some serious corner cases.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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Chrome "unofficially" dropped support for pre-3.16 kernels, such as the kernel in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, about half a year ago. More precisely, they introduced a bug that caused installing extensions to fail with that kernel, and then declined to fix it. https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=401655 See comment #47: "Ok, while it sounds like this is technically a regression, I'm going to mark this as Wontfix…

At least there seems to be a supported method for updating the 14.04 kernel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#LTS_Hardware...

Apparently, Ubuntu 14.04.2 installs a 3.16 kernel by default, and previous 14.04 installs can be updated by installing a bunch of "*-utopic" packages.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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That seems like an exceedingly childish exchange.

I cannot believe these are the actual people responsible for Debian. Is this unprofessional attitude common in the Debian community?

No. More than it used to be, but it's not comon.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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That seems like an exceedingly childish exchange.

I cannot believe these are the actual people responsible for Debian. Is this unprofessional attitude common in the Debian community?

Could you explain what you mean by "unprofessional" here? Personally Google's business model seems to be the unprofessional thing in this conversation.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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post #20
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Really, a browser is now dependent on a particular Linux kernel? For example RHEL/CentOS 7 which was released just last year with at least a 10 year support ahead of it is now obsolete according to them because it has a kernel version 3.10... Not that many people are on desktop versions of those OSes, and those that are will not use Chrome (for example, US govt loves them some Desktop RHEL systems, but Chrome is usua…

Chrome isn't your average application, though - it pioneered the modern use of tight process sandboxes in general (in client-side applications, anyway), and in particular was the biggest motivating client for (and Kees Cook on Chrome OS Security wrote some of the code for) seccomp-bpf, the ~3-year-old sandboxing mechanism that allows precise control of permitted syscalls and syscall arguments. The incompatibility her…

On the flip side, chrome is also one of the tools used to convince people that web should somehow be equivalent to native. Which, really, just doesn't make any bloody sense.

If web pages were content to showing web sites, the vast majority of the motivation for heavy sandboxing, Chrome style, would be irrelevant.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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When you commit to a 10-year support cycle, you'd better be prepared to backport quite a few things. Google's being aggressive about taking advantage of a kernel-level security feature that they developed to solve a real problem. This seems like a good thing overall.

> When you commit to a 10-year support cycle, you'd better be prepared to backport quite a few things. OTOH, when you make a break-the-world release every six weeks, you can expect lots of breakage when dealing with the rest of the world. From what I can tell, Google pushed a feature they wanted into Linux, then didn't bother to think about backward compatibility. This would be fine if Chrome weren't force-updating s…

Chrome doesn't force-update on Linux. You can just install it and not accept any updates.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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I cannot believe these are the actual people responsible for Debian. Is this unprofessional attitude common in the Debian community?

Could you explain what you mean by "unprofessional" here? Personally Google's business model seems to be the unprofessional thing in this conversation.

If Debian were a business and the original poster were one of their customers, how would the OP be feeling about that exchange?

It's unprofessional by definition because it is so clear that the person responding does not consider this their profession.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome isn't your average application, though - it pioneered the modern use of tight process sandboxes in general (in client-side applications, anyway), and in particular was the biggest motivating client for (and Kees Cook on Chrome OS Security wrote some of the code for) seccomp-bpf, the ~3-year-old sandboxing mechanism that allows precise control of permitted syscalls and syscall arguments. The incompatibility her…

On the flip side, chrome is also one of the tools used to convince people that web should somehow be equivalent to native. Which, really, just doesn't make any bloody sense. If web pages were content to showing web sites, the vast majority of the motivation for heavy sandboxing, Chrome style, would be irrelevant.

You have code running on your computer for rendering the content. Historically, pictures (GDI+ buffer overflow, and others) and .pdf files has been used for exploiting bugs in that code. Sandboxing would have made that a non-issue, or at least less severe of an issue.

Re: Google Chromium drops support for Linux 3.16 and earlier

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Chrome "unofficially" dropped support for pre-3.16 kernels, such as the kernel in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, about half a year ago. More precisely, they introduced a bug that caused installing extensions to fail with that kernel, and then declined to fix it. https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=401655 See comment #47: "Ok, while it sounds like this is technically a regression, I'm going to mark this as Wontfix…

Happily there's an even more reasonable workaround of upgrading to a browser that doesn't dictate kernel versions.
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