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Ask HN: What's the worst thing that could happen to Google?

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Re: Ask HN: What's the worst thing that could happen to Google?

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I've pondered that very question off and on for several years. I don't know what the "worst" thing would be but some places where I think there are clouds (pun intentionality uncertain) on their horizon - in no particular order: 1) Culture fail: leading to dithering and waste that swamps the ship. Until a recent few years, Google hired and operated like Larry and Sergey's late night bull session dream: hiring "people…

22 points for this? Really? 1) Google hired and operated like Larry and Sergey's late night bull session.. Under Schmidt, et al. in recent years this appears to be starting to be reined in.. You do realize that Schmidt has been there since before they went public, right? ie, he was there for the hiring. They currently have slightly less headcount than at their peak, but they say (in their last earning call no less) t…

1) (Google as Page and Brin's bull session fantasy): Schmidt has been there for a long time, sure, but it's only in recent years that they've so clearly polarized between the "the guys" and Schmidt, the former representing vague hype and themselves and Schmidt being the voice that calms investors and analysts. As a small example, in the business press, Schmidt is being portrayed as the guy who spins cut-backs on employee perks as prudent business while Page and Brin are being portrayed as guys who own a love-shack jet, invest in eccentric and nepotistic genomics projects, and treat reporters rudely.

2) (Collapse of advertising): Yeah, the on-line ad market ain't growing like it did for a while and in some sectors is contracting. Meanwhile, the "fat middle" of the long tail of the blogosphere is undergoing contraction and professionalization which suggests it is going to evolve into an industry that has far greater leverage in brokering its ads and is not so reliant upon Google. Don't get me started on the coming collapse of the (remaining) major "social networking" sites (which, to a first approximation, have yet to generate a return for most investors other than insiders).

By "decision engine" I mean we'll see ad delivery based less on what a person happens to be reading or searching for, and more on what they explicitly declare to some service that they want to shop for. We've already seen that to some degree in some of the most easily commoditized markets like air travel between A and B, or car insurance, or cars, or electronics parts (http://octopart.com/). That trend is accelerating. Check out a page like: http://octopart.com/parts/category--interface+ics--ethernet/... Aren't the Google ads down the right column of that page just a bit ironic?

3a) (Google's data center potential to fail because of their impulse to monopolize what apps run on them): Ok, well, I have an app that uses (let's say) Oracle Berkeley DB/XML and newLisp atop a GNU/Linux distro of my choice. I'm willing to tweak it for their particular network and storage topology. What's the price?

3b) (overcapitalized): I simply mean that they have to spend more money per quarter than they are competent to spend (or than any other organization with that executive structure could be competent to spend). The same investment dollars would likely perform better if invested with a more diversified set of controls on how they are spent. If you're skeptical of big government, you oughta also be skeptical of big corp.

Re: Ask HN: What's the worst thing that could happen to Google?

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It is the collapse of the US Empire.

Which is bound to happen given History, like it or not, even if it is not allowed to fail (wall street).

If you look at GOOG closely, you will realize, that it is not based on the purported commercial grounds at all. No single Company can:

- map the moon as a "cool factor"

- get all the UN translations for Bayes

- inherit the Corona Project

- hand out Tb of mail storage ...does your default Corporate Entity allow that for their employees, let alone for anybody?

- have urchins and alike everywhere

- use NASA site as a terminal (that's a challenge(er))

- view all the streets it is allowed to (think urban w[t]f)

- operate one of the largest computers on the Planet, though interestingly enough still with only a few percent of Intel's production

- scan all books ...and "legally" violate (C) at the drop of the hat (have the power to make law up as you go)

...you would have hard trouble doing any of the above, let alone do all of them at once (with still some omissions) without strong backing. If you rather think of it as a RAND, you will notice, that all this has nothing to do with the order of magnitude of the rev. sources you are alluding to. And think of search the other way around (like zeitgeist), it will make much more sense.

Re: Ask HN: What's the worst thing that could happen to Google?

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I made a bet with a friend 5 years ago that by 2015, Google will be a public utility. (This is also the worst thing that could happen to Google)

How much were you willing to bet?

I'm potentially in on that bet, too, but what do we mean by public utility? It's a hard bet to decide the outcome of.

-t

Re: Ask HN: What's the worst thing that could happen to Google?

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Government regulation.

It used to be called the place where the Clinton admin. was in exile, and seem to have survived Bush quite well. You'll just come to the conclusion, that it is the government, and self-regulatory government is an illusion, just as a self regulated market.

Re: Ask HN: What's the worst thing that could happen to Google?

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How about Microsoft including an ad blocker in the next Windows Update.

Because MS is also into advertising that is not likely. But if it did that Google would block Windows users' access to their services and show a message that MS is responsible for this mess _and_ sue MS for anti-competitive practices.

They might not have a leg to stand on with an anti trust suit if Microsoft blocks their own ads as well.

Not that that will prevent a suit, but it would be useful as a defence.

Re: Ask HN: What's the worst thing that could happen to Google?

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The fragmentation of traffic sources might limit Google's growth (i.e. Facebook and other social media are quickly becoming a very meaningful place to advertise). In addition, international competitors and Bing might put more pressure on them.

But in terms of something killing Google - that would have to be a really fundamental screw up and/or shift in the way the Internet works I think. Then again, history is full of wrong predictions :)

Re: Ask HN: What's the worst thing that could happen to Google?

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If people doing SEO found tricks that Google isn't able to overcome, and those became prevalent and persistent enough, people would start to lose faith in the quality of search results. Then they would go looking for other search engines.

already happening... Just the other day there was an 'ask hn' thread on this.
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