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What final year algorithms and data structures exam are you referring to?
Questions like pruning a red-black tree or manipulating a linked list on a whiteboard.
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but you do have to stay up to date with tech, and that is a battle that gets harder and harder as you age. Wait what? That right there is blatant age-ism. You know what helps learn new technology? When it's the same shit we did 15 years ago repackaged. WSDL is coming back around right now, just in JSON or Protobuf form. Don't you think mobile apps that have to sync with the server are a lot like server/client apps fr…
I think his point is more related to the learning curve. If you're in your fifties it doesn't mean that you are stupid but it does mean that you're going to have to learn a lot of technologies from the recruiting company's stack. Now if they can find someone that already know's them, their return on investment will be faster and safer. The older developer will also most likely not program on his free time for family…
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I agree everyone has their own definition, but the one you are giving is a pointy-haired definition, where the only metric is LoC and a successful demo of some feature. Even though it's hard to measure a lot of things like technical debt, architectural benefits, bugs, edge case handling, UX polish, teamwork, etc, it doesn't mean that you can reasonably get away with discounting those effects when you talk about 10x.…
I'm going to quote this on my blog, I love everythin about this comment.
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I'm going to quote this on my blog, I love everythin about this comment.
Wow thanks, let me know where your blog is.
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Questions like pruning a red-black tree or manipulating a linked list on a whiteboard.
Actually I was more curious about the final year exam itself. Is this required in some schools? I have never heard of such a thing in colleges in the US.
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> haven't read it thanks. are you saying the paper is about how one strives to improve? - because it's not titled that. the title is pretty clear. so is the abstract. I am not. You didn't see how one could usefully apply their work. I'm explaining how I have applied it. You asked "Why in the first instance do you give your negative assessment credence, and have doubts about your positive assessment in the second?" Wh…
I initially stated that you are just doing self improvement and dunning kruger isn't informing it. you haven't said anything that disagrees with what i said, neither does the paper. at best you are applying half of it, the positive side. cherry picking? if you're competent and you assess your work and it appears to be bad, then dunning-kruger says that it is not as bad as you think. if you're incompetent and you asse…
> if you're incompetent and you assess your work and it appears to be good, then dunning-kruger says you don't have the competence to make that assessment and it's probably not good work.
Definitely. Ergo, if my work looks good to me, I should not assume that it is. Instead, I should look to improve my ability to evaluate the work. (What D+K call metacognition.) One way to do that, of course, is to have other people evaluate my work and tell me what they see. But there are plenty of others.
> if you're competent and you assess your work and it appears to be bad, then dunning-kruger says that it is not as bad as you think.
Exactly. Therefore, I should not be discouraged, but instead focus on upping my game to the level of my taste.
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I think his point is more related to the learning curve. If you're in your fifties it doesn't mean that you are stupid but it does mean that you're going to have to learn a lot of technologies from the recruiting company's stack. Now if they can find someone that already know's them, their return on investment will be faster and safer. The older developer will also most likely not program on his free time for family…
So many bigoted assumptions I don't know where to start...
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I initially stated that you are just doing self improvement and dunning kruger isn't informing it. you haven't said anything that disagrees with what i said, neither does the paper. at best you are applying half of it, the positive side. cherry picking? if you're competent and you assess your work and it appears to be bad, then dunning-kruger says that it is not as bad as you think. if you're incompetent and you asse…
I'll try one more time to get my point across. I agree with this: > if you're incompetent and you assess your work and it appears to be good, then dunning-kruger says you don't have the competence to make that assessment and it's probably not good work. Definitely. Ergo, if my work looks good to me, I should not assume that it is. Instead, I should look to improve my ability to evaluate the work. (What D+K call metac…
you've stated your position over and over, i've reworded mine, no progress will be made.
> Exactly. Therefore, I should not be discouraged, but instead focus on upping my game to the level of my taste.
it doesn't mean you should do anything. there's no need for this self improvement. the self improvement tactics are not informed by dunning kruger. they are not an application of dunning kruger.
in the absence of dunning kruger if you run with a self improvement mentality the input, action and outcome are the exact same. your behaviour is not informed by it. if you weren't self improving before dunning kruger, then you might be on to something - but i'm certain that wasn't the case.
in fact you are in danger of spending too much time on the improvement, whereas dunning kruger could be telling you, as you are competent "it's good enough".
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I'll try one more time to get my point across. I agree with this: > if you're incompetent and you assess your work and it appears to be good, then dunning-kruger says you don't have the competence to make that assessment and it's probably not good work. Definitely. Ergo, if my work looks good to me, I should not assume that it is. Instead, I should look to improve my ability to evaluate the work. (What D+K call metac…
your overly positive outlook means you are either deliberately ignoring or unable to see the other side of it, and so there's no point in our continuing this conversation. you've stated your position over and over, i've reworded mine, no progress will be made. > Exactly. Therefore, I should not be discouraged, but instead focus on upping my game to the level of my taste. it doesn't mean you should do anything. there'…
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So many bigoted assumptions I don't know where to start...
I tried to formulate a response to it as well, but it was impossible to even figure out where to begin. I'm thankful I'm at a company that proves all of his assumptions wrong.