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GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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That can't possibly be legal.

It may depend on which state, and sometimes it's a grey area if the car is jointly owned (since you could argue the "owner is consenting" to the tracking). http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/11/...

Not everybody lives in the USA.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

#102
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looks like Private Investigator catalog equipment in the states. Big, clunky, and built to suit a million different uses. Dev board + sensors + 3g = a million different reconfigurable spy toys. Although I hope it's a three-letter agency, because that'd make me a bit less frightened of them. Also, I don't know why everyone is up-in-arms about the solder job quality. Rip apart a Chinese Futaba-knockoff RC transmitter,…

If you would be a three-letter agency, would you use some kind of electronics that look like they were installed by a three-letter agency?

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Very few companies produce GPS chips. Most devices that include GPS capability do not bother to reinvent the wheel, but instead elect to integrate an existing GPS processing chip. It's unlikely the GPS module is integrated with the processor core of this thing. Since it is likely separate, it would be fun to probe the PCB with a logic analyzer to see if there are any exposed serial (or possibly I2C, SPI) traces relay…

You can buy second hand GPS transmitters for ~50USD. Remove antenna, plug in transmitter done. Reverse engineering the board would be fun though.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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It may depend on which state, and sometimes it's a grey area if the car is jointly owned (since you could argue the "owner is consenting" to the tracking). http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/11/...

Not everybody lives in the USA.

Most people lives in China

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Aw man I loved your comment right up to the point where you gave people a suggestion on how to make better surveillance tech :(

Seriously. It's extremely important that we as engineers be ethical about what we build. If you are enabling a surveillance state, I think many people would consider that to be harmful to public welfare.

>If you are enabling a surveillance state, I think many people would consider that to be harmful to public welfare.

I honestly do not know how those working for the NSA, GCHQ, etc. can live with themselves for the damage they're doing. Snowden said he was getting something like $120k p/a as a consultant for the NSA, so it's not like it's massively financially lucrative.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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post #103

Very few companies produce GPS chips. Most devices that include GPS capability do not bother to reinvent the wheel, but instead elect to integrate an existing GPS processing chip. It's unlikely the GPS module is integrated with the processor core of this thing. Since it is likely separate, it would be fun to probe the PCB with a logic analyzer to see if there are any exposed serial (or possibly I2C, SPI) traces relay…

You can buy second hand GPS transmitters for ~50USD. Remove antenna, plug in transmitter done. Reverse engineering the board would be fun though.

Transmitting RF on GPS frequencies would almost certainly run afoul of local laws on transmission interference, and in the US FCC enforcement penalties are both severe and expensive (as they should be for interference). A direct coax connection would probably be fine though.

What are the transmitters you're talking about? Multiple analog front ends each transmitting on a different L1 channel frequency? SDRs transmitting on multiple L1 channels? L1 is 1575.42 MHz (10.23 MHz × 154) so you'd need multiple channels to simulate multiple satellites. How can I do that for $50?

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Things cannot be evil in and of themselves. It takes sentient intention that you judge to be so for it to be (to you).

I guess it's hard to prove, but I think certain objects are inherently correlated with good/evil. E.g. a torture device is inherently evil IMHO, and a vaccine is inherently good.

Maybe for some object, but I can't think of any, and I don't think that vaccines or torture devices fit the bill. One could sell a spoiled, ineffective, tainted, or defective vaccine. That would be evil. Or, one could torture Hitler to learn how to disarm the doomsday machine.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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There is a lot of ethical uses of such trackers (e.g. a company tracking its own vehicles, shipping container tracking, etc.). We can't assume the developer of the original board knowingly designed it for evil purposes. Full disclosure: I design smart-grid and telemetry applications, including a GSM + GPS device (GPS was initially used for getting accurate timestamps, but we also added positioning registers, which ma…

Interesting, I always thought that google using it for TrueTime was a strange use-case, but I guess it was the original use-case!

That's a pretty common application when you need to synchronize clocks to microsecond accuracy or to a second accuracy but have neither a stable network connection nor a time broadcast (like the German DCF77). It's also used to replace Cesium clocks in cell base stations or for the precision timing protocol (IEEE 1588) for PWE3 networks.

Iep, is there a lot of systems depending on GPS and a major system failure will bring us some chaos.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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post #103

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You can buy second hand GPS transmitters for ~50USD. Remove antenna, plug in transmitter done. Reverse engineering the board would be fun though.

Transmitting RF on GPS frequencies would almost certainly run afoul of local laws on transmission interference, and in the US FCC enforcement penalties are both severe and expensive (as they should be for interference). A direct coax connection would probably be fine though. What are the transmitters you're talking about? Multiple analog front ends each transmitting on a different L1 channel frequency? SDRs transmitt…

Are there local laws on transmission interference? As far as the FCC goes, enforcement is hit or miss and generally lax. At least for HAMS, there is a process that begins with someone noticing the interference and complaining to the FCC, sometimes followed by an investigation, which is then sometimes followed by a Notice Of Violation. It takes a while to get to the part where the FCC assesses a penalty (Forfeiture Order). There is also a distinction between intentional interference and unintentional (as there should be), though I think that jamming the [TLA/police]'s GPS tracking device probably counts as intentional, if you knew it was the government's. I'd also like to know where the $50 surplus GPS transmitters are, but GP may be referring to a general purpose DSP eval board or SDR, which are certainly attainable for less than $100.00, and can be made to produce most any arbitrary signal given enough time/effort.

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Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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It would be fun injecting fake paths to some NSA datacenter, a military supplier IC foundry, Area 51, and CIA HQ. The people monitoring him may draw some strange conclusions.

Fun and pretty solidly stupid. The last thing you want to do when you're being followed is antagnoize the people following you. Especially so if you think the tracking violates your civil rights. The best outcome for you is contacting a lawyer, a media outlet, and the people you think are surveilling you; the local police and FBI field office are a good start. Making already suspicious people think you're doing somet…

I though the spies would interpret it as "We are tracking an undercover agent" but now I see it was a silly interpretation.
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