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GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Wouldn't surprise me if this was a one-off job. All those joints were hand-soldered, which is something you don't do unless you're the tiniest of tiny vendors, and someone who really didn't want to get people looking at it would have used something other than tape to wrap it up.

Government surveillance equipment is low volume and high margin, so hand assembly makes sense. The tape also makes sense as a way of disguising the device. A shiny plastic box wouldn't look like it belongs on the car, but most cars have wiring harnesses covered with black tape.

The more I look at what else is out there in vehicle tracking, the weirder this thing becomes. Other tracking devices that people have discovered [1] have been much more professionally assembled, with epoxy blobs coating interesting chips and everything. Additionally, fleet telemetric devices that are battery powered and use cell signals and gps also look a lot more professional than this, with plastic casings, neat soldering jobs, etc. This feels like an odd amateur tracking device of some sort, which IMO makes it even more interesting than a government tracker.

[1] http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/11/GPS-Tr...

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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looks like Private Investigator catalog equipment in the states. Big, clunky, and built to suit a million different uses. Dev board + sensors + 3g = a million different reconfigurable spy toys.

Although I hope it's a three-letter agency, because that'd make me a bit less frightened of them.

Also, I don't know why everyone is up-in-arms about the solder job quality. Rip apart a Chinese Futaba-knockoff RC transmitter, dash cam, or counterfeit Lenovo/Apple power-brick for similar quality (and that stuff is everywhere). All that anyone cares about is that it passed the bench test. (who cares if it burns up later?)

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Based on the way it's laid out and all the unpopulated headers I'm almost wondering if this is a GSM dev board that someone makes that's paired with a GPS daughter card they make. It doesn't look quite as purpose built for a tracking application as I would expect, if it was i'd expect it to be far more compact and have very few test points and headers for the controller. In fact I'd expect they'd probably use a small…

I know a guy that makes GPS trackers for divorce lawyers, pretty common tech. Doesn't need to be a state actor, just a jealous girlfriend etc. Heck you can by a GPS on eBay that will text you coords for $40...

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Based on the way it's laid out and all the unpopulated headers I'm almost wondering if this is a GSM dev board that someone makes that's paired with a GPS daughter card they make. It doesn't look quite as purpose built for a tracking application as I would expect, if it was i'd expect it to be far more compact and have very few test points and headers for the controller. In fact I'd expect they'd probably use a small…

I have similar thoughts, it really seems rather like overkill. Either an old device or not a purpose-built tracker. Very large, and holy cow is that a TQFP-144? I've built local-storage trackers before with DIP-8 chips. I've not implemented GSM, but I'd be pretty surprised if a modern GPS+GSM tracker required this much horsepower.

Not to mention the board layout is pretty good, and because the GPS & GSM are integrated the layout engineer probably had to know a thing or two about routing antennas- while as you point out the solder job is quite amateur.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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Aw man I loved your comment right up to the point where you gave people a suggestion on how to make better surveillance tech :(

Seriously. It's extremely important that we as engineers be ethical about what we build. If you are enabling a surveillance state, I think many people would consider that to be harmful to public welfare.

The problem is that a lot of people genuinely think "If a large institution approved of it, it must be good". Which is a lot scarier than people not giving a damn about good or evil.

Morality is not something you outsource.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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I'd like to see FBI agents pulling up a map of the guy's locations and finding an elaborate drawing of a penis.

Kind of reminds me how Boeing test pilots will often draw shapes on the map when they are flying around aircraft to get in test hours. Here is a 787 logo 'drawn' with a 787: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE236/history/20120209/2...

that was awesome ! thanks for sharing :)

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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It does take place in the US though, just not this instance... http://www.wired.com/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/ Edit: this is downvoted, but a similar comment with the same link, posted 10 minutes later, is upvoted? I don't understand.

present tense vs past tense?

Just because they were told they can't, that doesn't mean they won't, and they probably still do. In the present.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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post #35

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Government surveillance equipment is low volume and high margin, so hand assembly makes sense. The tape also makes sense as a way of disguising the device. A shiny plastic box wouldn't look like it belongs on the car, but most cars have wiring harnesses covered with black tape.

The more I look at what else is out there in vehicle tracking, the weirder this thing becomes. Other tracking devices that people have discovered [1] have been much more professionally assembled, with epoxy blobs coating interesting chips and everything. Additionally, fleet telemetric devices that are battery powered and use cell signals and gps also look a lot more professional than this, with plastic casings, neat…

That is extremely interesting. If it wasn't a legal authority that placed the device, then maybe the police can get involved and subpoena the sim card provider, ISP of whatever host the device connects to, etc.

Re: GPS tracking device found on an activist's car

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post #42

looks like Private Investigator catalog equipment in the states. Big, clunky, and built to suit a million different uses. Dev board + sensors + 3g = a million different reconfigurable spy toys. Although I hope it's a three-letter agency, because that'd make me a bit less frightened of them. Also, I don't know why everyone is up-in-arms about the solder job quality. Rip apart a Chinese Futaba-knockoff RC transmitter,…

According to the media article linked on the submission, the activist was stopped for a "routine search" of the car for more than one hour on the frontier with France by spanish national police (CNP). One week ago she was stopped again near the city were this convention took place.

So yeah, even if this is private investigator grade hardware, according to the info available it would not surprise me if this was either CNP (police) or CNI (our joke version of the CIA).

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